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All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16
As has already been pointed out by Richard1965, the New Testament isn't (or wasn't) the scripture that is referred to in 2 Timothy 3:16. Paul wasn't even writing scripture - or, at least, HE didn't know that he was writing scripture. He was merely writing letters to the early Christian Churches. All they had available back in the day was the Torah. The letters of Paul and other manuscripts were much later collated into what eventually became the New Testament. "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" is referring to the Torah and not the new Testament which had not yet even been thought of.
Why is it that Christians SO often quote 2 Timothy 3:16 without giving a thought as to what it's actually referring to?
As has already been pointed out by Richard1965, the New Testament isn't (or wasn't) the scripture that is referred to in 2 Timothy 3:16. Paul wasn't even writing scripture - or, at least, HE didn't know that he was writing scripture. He was merely writing letters to the early Christian Churches. All they had available back in the day was the Torah. The letters of Paul and other manuscripts were much later collated into what eventually became the New Testament. "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" is referring to the Torah and not the new Testament which had not yet even been thought of.
What I said here. Halloween has specific roots to the early church.
The early apostate church maybe. The early church was a legal sect of Judaism for about 100 years, which means they would have had nothing to do with pagan festivals not established by G-d. Peace
Not what Christians really hold to Jeanie, that is just a saying that is not followed or acknowledge, it is a saying in general that doesn't really mean anything to Christians. That all is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. I mean it is true but most Christians CERTAINLY will not stand on this truth. I stand on the law and the prophets and so I believe it is true, but most Christians don't stand on the law and the prophets, and most Christians do not believe in keeping the ways of God, and all of scripture is about keeping the laws of God. But when you defy God and no longer want to keep his ways, people will teach against God's laws, against his ways, and THEY MUST teach against scripture that is designed to teach you to keep God's ways.
Christians absolute sole authority is derived from the Bible hence CHRISTians.
If not, they are not Christians. Most people are not Christians
3 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7 :13-14
Christians absolute sole authority is derived from the Bible hence CHRISTians.
i think you have to add the qualifier that only fundamentalists Christians believe this way. Other Christians do not assign divinity to the Bible but rather know it to be the writings of men in their quest for God.
You are fairly new here, but this conversation has gone around many times. It's not my intent to start it up again, but it would be more helpful and honest if you were to preface such a statement with "I believe" or some such.
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Originally Posted by Jeaniee
If not, they are not Christians. Most people are not Christians
Problem is, last I heard, somebody named Jeaniee on a message board doesn't get to decide who is Christian or what is in people's hearts. I personally would never dare say such a thing without expecting to be called out as arrogant, and quite rightly.
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Originally Posted by Jeaniee
3 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7 :13-14
But YOU are one of those special ones, of course, right?
Christians absolute sole authority is derived from the Bible hence CHRISTians.
If not, they are not Christians. Most people are not Christians
3 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7 :13-14
That is walking through the veil into the broad court, and then into the truth of the Holy place, and then the third veil into the Holy of Holies. Jeanie, there is no door into the Holy of Holies, you have to squeeze, and scrape yourself through a narrow way with the weight of the veil pushing against you and that veil weighed 400 pounds.
You have salvation in that outer court of darkness, but if you want to come under the covenant of Jesus to become co-heirs with Jews, you have to be able to enter into the Holy place, and no Gentile may enter into the temple. You don't have to remain a gentile, and you do have the chance to obtain an inheritance in Israel under the covenant of Jesus but just saying Jesus is not going to get you there, you have to convert as God says, and as God promises the Gentiles who love his Sabbaths, his feasts, and his laws. God promises you a better name than sons and daughters, and when you convert to the ways of Jesus, you are able to walk from that broad way into the Holy place, but unless you convert to the same religion as Israel, you will stand outside in that court forever.
God doesn't ask you a hard thing to do, it isn't some sacrifices that you should stop keeping the ways of other Gods and only keep his ways, this isn't some hard thing to do, and if you do it, maybe you will be able to enter the Holy place where the truth is. There in the Holy place is the bread of life and the light of God, and this isn't even the goal, the goal is that you should commit yourself to becoming a priest that you might enter into that narrow way where only a high priest is allowed to Go, and unless you do this, you will never be born again. The ark of the covenant is on the other side of that veil, and that ark is a uterus where one is born again. Those priests dressed up with their seed trying to enter the Holy of Holies once every year were trying to get that temple pregnant, and while there is salvation in the court and in the Holy place, the higher Zoe kingdom is the most desired place to reach, but you have to choose yourself whether you will remain a Gentile of become Israel. You have to convert just as those first Gentiles converted. They came to Jesus as babies, and they stopped keeping all the ways of other Gods, this modern Christianity went back to their former gods. Why is it so hard to try and please God when God literally asks nothing of you save that you reject the ways of other Gods and join him.
i think you have to add the qualifier that only fundamentalists Christians believe this way. Other Christians do not assign divinity to the Bible but rather know it to be the writings of men in their quest for God.
All Christians sole authority is the bible.
We examine the scriptures to determine if all teachings are true
There is NO scripture WHATSOEVER which states "Christians do not assign divinity to the bible but rather know it to be the writings of men and their quest for God"
Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true Acts 17:11
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work 2 Timothy 3:16
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
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Too soon to rep, ect....Peace
