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Old 11-09-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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What made Jesus sinless besides his walking in the law? Walking in the law made him sinless. The law comes down to mercy and justice and Jesus walked perfectly in the law and came teaching secrets of the law saying,'' If you are even angry with your neighbor, you are a murderer,'' this is not something new in the law, it is what the law has always taught and Jesus didn't come to change the law, he came walking in the law, and walking in the law made him righteous. And so it is said, '' Anyone who keeps the laws and teaches others to keep the laws will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven,'' and just the opposite for those who don't keep the law and teach against the law.


If Christians teach anything, they should teach a LAWFUL Jesus, not a lawless Jesus.
That's one of the things the protestants brought with them that originated with the RCC. If you have sinless flesh by birth, then you are in a position to NEVER be like He is, even after He is formed in you. They left behind a sinless flesh of Mary belief, but not the other. Which is why He said there is none good but the Father (and His Seed, the Spirit man). Peace
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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Jesus was without sin and is specifically stated to be without sin in 2 Cor 5:21, Heb. 4:15, and 1 Pet. 2:22.
2 Cor. 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

1 Pet. 2:22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.
And Jesus did not say only the 'Father' was good. He said that only God is good. Jesus Himself is God as stated in John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Hebrews 1:8-12, and other places.

Only because He Himself was without sin could He die in our place as our substitute. On the cross our sins were judicially imputed to Him and He was judged for them in our place,

He bore OUR sins in His own body, but He had no sin of His own.
1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
Then this contradicts what G-d said...
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Jesus was without sin and is specifically stated to be without sin in 2 Cor 5:21, Heb. 4:15, and 1 Pet. 2:22.
2 Cor. 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

1 Pet. 2:22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.
And Jesus did not say only the 'Father' was good. He said that only God is good. Jesus Himself is God as stated in John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Hebrews 1:8-12, and other places.

Only because He Himself was without sin could He die in our place as our substitute. On the cross our sins were judicially imputed to Him and He was judged for them in our place,

He bore OUR sins in His own body, but He had no sin of His own.
1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.[quote]



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Then this contradicts what G-d said...


All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Timothy 3:16

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Old 11-09-2017, 07:42 PM
 
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All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Timothy 3:16


Not what Christians really hold to Jeanie, that is just a saying that is not followed or acknowledge, it is a saying in general that doesn't really mean anything to Christians. That all is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. I mean it is true but most Christians CERTAINLY will not stand on this truth. I stand on the law and the prophets and so I believe it is true, but most Christians don't stand on the law and the prophets, and most Christians do not believe in keeping the ways of God, and all of scripture is about keeping the laws of God. But when you defy God and no longer want to keep his ways, people will teach against God's laws, against his ways, and THEY MUST teach against scripture that is designed to teach you to keep God's ways.
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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Not what Christians really hold to Jeanie, that is just a saying that is not followed or acknowledge, it is a saying in general that doesn't really mean anything to Christians. That all is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. I mean it is true but most Christians CERTAINLY will not stand on this truth. I stand on the law and the prophets and so I believe it is true, but most Christians don't stand on the law and the prophets, and most Christians do not believe in keeping the ways of God, and all of scripture is about keeping the laws of God. But when you defy God and no longer want to keep his ways, people will teach against God's laws, against his ways, and THEY MUST teach against scripture that is designed to teach you to keep God's ways.
We just don't take it literally, Hannibal, the way you do, and we don't follow the law and prophets and feast and Jewish traditions the way you do.

Timothy 3:16 is trotted out at least once a week by some fundamentalist poster or other, and it is bewildering that they think posting it over and over and over and over again is going to make non-fundamentalists suddenly smack their foreheads and think it means what they think it means.
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:41 PM
 
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I think common sense is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training fundies to smarten up.
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:01 PM
 
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All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16
Is it righteous to have another suffer and die in your place as a substitute, especially if they're innocent?

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Old 11-09-2017, 11:06 PM
 
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Is it righteous to have another suffer and die in your place as a substitute, especially if they're innocent?

It's called reaping where you have not sown, according to Jesus. It's a requirement for a son. Peace
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Old 11-09-2017, 11:36 PM
 
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It's called reaping where you have not sown, according to Jesus. It's a requirement for a son. Peace
How do you use that gift as a resource for the flourishing of life?
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Old 11-10-2017, 12:14 AM
 
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[quote=Jeaniee;50085263][quote=mike555]
Originally Posted by Mike555
Jesus was without sin and is specifically stated to be without sin in 2 Cor 5:21, Heb. 4:15, and 1 Pet. 2:22.
2 Cor. 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

1 Pet. 2:22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.
And Jesus did not say only the 'Father' was good. He said that only God is good. Jesus Himself is God as stated in John 1:1, Phil 2:6, Hebrews 1:8-12, and other places.

Only because He Himself was without sin could He die in our place as our substitute. On the cross our sins were judicially imputed to Him and He was judged for them in our place,

He bore OUR sins in His own body, but He had no sin of His own.
1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
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All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Timothy 3:16
Unfortunately, the New Testament ink scripture, they are merely letters to churches...
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