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Old 11-13-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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Hebrews 9:22 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Footnote:NABRE
9:22 Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness: in fact, ancient Israel did envisage other means of obtaining forgiveness; the Old Testament mentions contrition of heart (Ps 51:17), fasting (Jl 2:12), and almsgiving (Sir 3:29). The author is limiting his horizon to the sacrificial cult, which did always involve the shedding of blood for its expiatory and unitive value.

Paul came up claim that Jesus’ crucifixion was necessary to appease God for sins committed against him. Or was it a more acceptable explanation that Jesus was crucified for man's sins rather than executed as an insurrectionist against Rome?

Is demanding a blood sacrifice really the act of a supposedly humane, rational, and merciful God?

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Old 11-13-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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Hebrews 9:22 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Footnote:NABRE
9:22 Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness: in fact, ancient Israel did envisage other means of obtaining forgiveness; the Old Testament mentions contrition of heart (Ps 51:17), fasting (Jl 2:12), and almsgiving (Sir 3:29). The author is limiting his horizon to the sacrificial cult, which did always involve the shedding of blood for its expiatory and unitive value.

Paul came up claim that Jesus’ crucifixion was necessary to appease God for sins committed against him. Or was it a more acceptable explanation that Jesus was crucified for man's sins rather than executed as an insurrectionist against Rome?

Is demanding a blood sacrifice really the act of a supposedly humane, rational, and merciful God?
and they will seek death and not find it
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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Hebrews 9:22 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Footnote:NABRE
9:22 Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness: in fact, ancient Israel did envisage other means of obtaining forgiveness; the Old Testament mentions contrition of heart (Ps 51:17), fasting (Jl 2:12), and almsgiving (Sir 3:29). The author is limiting his horizon to the sacrificial cult, which did always involve the shedding of blood for its expiatory and unitive value.

Paul came up claim that Jesus’ crucifixion was necessary to appease God for sins committed against him. Or was it a more acceptable explanation that Jesus was crucified for man's sins rather than executed as an insurrectionist against Rome?

Is demanding a blood sacrifice really the act of a supposedly humane, rational, and merciful God?
It’s the act of a holy being. Jesus spoke of being a blood sacrifice.

Matt. 26:28

“This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” -Jesus
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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Grace of God comes by the Blood Jesus shed because of God`s Justice , as God grace is for people who side with Jesus , away from the people and the spirit that leads wicked people who would put Jesus on the cross , as all sin is forgiven by this injustice of Jesus on the cross as people turn away from sin ...................Where in the shadow of Jesus Christ were bulls and sheep , and other animals were sacrificed of a shadow of Jesus Christ on the cross to come ..... See people would kill these animals of God which God is the creator who created all animals , so the sacrifice would get the attention of God which would be a point of contact to find God ..........Sin is alien to God
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:15 AM
 
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Is demanding a blood sacrifice really the act of a supposedly humane, rational, and merciful God?
Yes. Even more so since he paid it himself
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:23 AM
 
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Is demanding a blood sacrifice really the act of a supposedly humane, rational, and merciful God?
Only in the minds of those Christians who have not evolved spiritually.

When the Incans did it, they were barbarians.

When the bible god demands it, he's Da Man!
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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Only in the minds of those Christians who have not evolved spiritually.

When the Incans did it, they were barbarians.

When the bible god demands it, he's Da Man!
The difference is that the Incans invented the idea and they sacrificed human beings incapable of dying for the sin of anyone but themselves.
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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The difference is that the Incans invented the idea and they sacrificed human beings incapable of dying for the sin of anyone but themselves.
Uh-huh.

Right. Fer shure.

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Old 11-14-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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The difference is that the Incans invented the idea and they sacrificed human beings incapable of dying for the sin of anyone but themselves.
And then others invented the idea that God should sacrifice Godself, instead. It was a step in the right direction, you've got to agree with that, Trout.
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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And then others invented the idea that God should sacrifice Godself, instead. It was a step in the right direction, you've got to agree with that, Trout.
Nope. God came up with that idea himself. He alluded to it shortly after the first humans left the garden of Eden.
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