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Old 11-22-2017, 01:00 PM
 
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Wow, you're an interesting guy.
Thanks, I can only comment on what you are posting.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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Because as long as I'm in this body, I will struggle with having a sin nature. It's the human condition.
Is that an intentional feature in gods human design or a design flaw BFun?
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:08 PM
 
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Is that an intentional feature in gods human design or a design flaw BFun?
It's a result of our ancestor Adam disobeying God.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Because, as Paul writes in Romans, Ephesians, etc...we are all slaves to sin. We are born of Adam, and we have a sin nature.
so we all must do what Paul tells us to do? What happened to free will?
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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It's a result of our ancestor Adam disobeying God.
yet god says..

The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.---EZEKIEL 18:20


The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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It's a result of our ancestor Adam disobeying God.
So, design flaw BFun?
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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So, design flaw BFun?
Only if you consider free will to be a design flaw.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:19 PM
 
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yet god says..

The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.---EZEKIEL 18:20
OK? We die because we are guilty before God--not because we inherit sin. We have a sin NATURE that makes us sinners. The sin is our own.
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The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another.
In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'
God can, though.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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Only if you consider free will to be a design flaw.
Isn't it BFun? How does the free will feature in gods human design worked out?
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:22 PM
 
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OK? We die because we are guilty before God--not because we inherit sin. We have a sin NATURE that makes us sinners. The sin is our own.


God can, though.
But you just posted it was because of Adam that we have sin..is that not being punished for another's sin??

so god created us with sin? Hmmmm..why would a loving god implant SIN in our DNA and then tell us we will die if we do what is just our nature? WICKED...
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