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no devil in Judaism: Immanuel said the unbelieving Jews "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires" Only Immanuel can know the thoughts, hearts of people, make a just judgement concerning them and dared them to prove that he was guilty of sin ... which none of the unbelieving Jews could not then nor now.
Nope...No devil in Judaism or the Torah...So, Christianity made it up...
they had to have switched it up over the years as beth ulah..( can someone investigate what Ulah means now. ) this word , It is just saying something about a daughter a "bath" elizabeth and Bath shebah/ kheba . it just means daughter.. as both of these names mean daughter of the Oath.. .... if a old man is talking about his daughter. she may be younger than him but ain't no real baby girl even if her daddy calls her that.
so something is wrong with what the Jews have represented this word to mean in modern times.
culturally a betrothed daughter would be a virgin and that is all that needed to be said.
I'm talking about both. Don't you agree that is necessary?
Joe 1:8 Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.
If you say that Bethulah is virgin and not Almah then you need to explain how in Joel 1:8 this virgin (Bethulah) can lament for the husband of her youth?
Maybe this will help you better understand it:
Joel 1
8 Mourn like a virgin in sackcloth grieving for the betrothed of her youth.
Nope...No devil in Judaism or the Torah...So, Christianity made it up...
and so you are saying that Jesus cast out demons that never existed right?
yet all those people came to bring HIm their diseased and unexplainably in bondage loved ones and and he said it was demons and call them Satans, and all were healed and unexplained was explained when they were set free and their demonic chains broken. .... . and that means He knew who he was dealing with. even if the Jews didn't know who he was dealing with .
... as obviously they never set anyone free and that was Jesus Biggest complaint with them. If they Knew God like they said they did .. they should have been healing the sick and setting people free. those thought go hand in hand. even with angels there stirring the waters to heal, that is like asking for someone to pray so they can bring healing ... . the prophets of old did it. even raised the dead . .
no ... in other words I purposefully didn't because you do not hear.
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
no devil in Judaism: Immanuel said the unbelieving Jews "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires" Only Immanuel can know the thoughts, hearts of people, make a just judgement concerning them and dared them to prove that he was guilty of sin ... which none of the unbelieving Jews could not then nor now.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Nope...No devil in Judaism or the Torah...So, Christianity made it up...
No ... Immanuel Jesus speaks the truth which refutes you.
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires ... When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies...~ Immanuel Jesus
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they had to have switched it up over the years as beth ulah..( can someone investigate what Ulah means now. ) this word , It is just saying something about a daughter a "bath" elizabeth and Bath shebah/ kheba . it just means daughter.. as both of these names mean daughter of the Oath.. .... if a old man is talking about his daughter. she may be younger than him but ain't no real baby girl even if her daddy calls her that.
so something is wrong with what the Jews have represented this word to mean in modern times.
culturally a betrothed daughter would be a virgin and that is all that needed to be said.
and so you are saying that Jesus cast out demons that never existed right?
yet all those people came to bring HIm their diseased and unexplainably in bondage loved ones and and he said it was demons and call them Satans, and all were healed and unexplained was explained when they were set free and their demonic chains broken. .... . and that means He knew who he was dealing with. even if the Jews didn't know who he was dealing with .
... as obviously they never set anyone free and that was Jesus Biggest complaint with them. If they Knew God like they said they did .. they should have been healing the sick and setting people free. those thought go hand in hand. even with angels there stirring the waters to heal, that is like asking for someone to pray so they can bring healing ... . the prophets of old did it. even raised the dead . .
no ... in other words I purposefully didn't because you do not hear.
That’s pretty lame...
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No ... Immanuel Jesus speaks the truth which refutes you.
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires ... When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies...~ Immanuel Jesus
Sorry...The devil does not exist in Judaism and the Torah refutes you...
8 Mourn like a virgin in sackcloth grieving for the betrothed of her youth.
See I waiting for that argument. Now we are getting somewhere. The problem is that it can't mean betrothed, other terms are used for that meaning such as H781. The word must be translated as husband because of the word chosen which is master. If it were to mean betrothed then that meaning would be able to be inserted in other places where the word is used and would make no sense such as here:
Exo_21:3 IfH518 he came inH935 by himself,H1610 he shall go outH3318 by himself:H1610 ifH518 heH1931 were married,H1167 H802 then his wifeH802 shall go outH3318 withH5973 him.
or even here:
Exo_21:22 IfH3588 menH376 strive,H5327 and hurtH5062 a womanH802 with child,H2030 so that her fruitH3206 departH3318 from her, and yet noH3808 mischiefH611 follow:H1961 he shall be surely punished,H6064 H6064 according asH834 the woman'sH802 husbandH1167 will layH7896 uponH5921 him; and he shall payH5414 as the judgesH6414 determine.
It must really have ruined your day that I didn't entertain your hubris.
Sorry ... almost.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Sorry...The devil does not exist in Judaism and the Torah refutes you...
Maybe in the unbelieving world of Judaism it may not exist, but then again there is a lot of things that don't exist in the unbelieving Judaism world that doesn't exist according to Immanuel Jesus such as starting with being a child of Abraham.
Maybe you ought to put 2+2 together with what Immanuel Jesus inferred in this exchange: (John 8 selected verses for brevity)
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did... ... You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested.
"Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” ~ Immanuel Jesus
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