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Valuing fundamentals can basically go in two directions.
1) One is simply believing and valuing basics of a particular belief system. It is a personal matter that doesn't radiate outward into trying to affect others. It can be used to see one's own faults.
2) The second is a soapbox preachy effort that seeks to control and change others. It's a petty narrowness that uses the fundamentals to divide, judge, and antagonize others. It takes blame and fault off oneself, and puts it on others.
The first is healthy, the second is hazardous. The second drives people away from spirituality and belief systems, stirs up trouble, and creates enemies.
There's no difference between fundamentalist Christianity (the second way) and the ways of the Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus wrangled with. Both were legalistic, antagonistic, and judgement-filled. We should call them out just as Jesus did. Angst-filled fundamentalists are a cancer to Christianity. If a person doesn't speak out against them, then he/she is partners with them and their evil.
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strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline. An unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.
In other words, a firm belief that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. And our faith and belief in Jesus our Lord, we have hope for eternal life
So in other words, a fundy is a Christian? Never knew that.
Christian is first found in the New Testament in the Book of Acts. So if you don't believe in that definition from the Apostle Paul in the book of Acts, then you don't believe as a Christian does.
strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline. An unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.
In other words, a firm belief that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. And our faith and belief in Jesus our Lord, we have hope for eternal life
It is used in derogatory sense around here, and Christians are routinely compared to nazis, ISIS terrorists etc. The Bible is being described as "writings of ancient savages". It is what it is.
You offered a good definition: "strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline".
Or simply: "adherence to fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ".
This is a secular message board so it isn't surprising unbelievers who permiate these boards would re-define the definition of Christian into being synonymous with Fundy. It only gets worse
People will re-define the definition of Christian into all types of things which adhere to their sinful lifestyles- Thieving, murder, adultery, homosexuality, fornication, drunkenness, beastality, you name it.
The world, as the truth of the gospel tells us, is only getting worse. These types need prayer as the blood covers sins yes but it doesn't EVER cover justifying and continuing in them as if they are NOT sinful. We cannot be saved if we don't first re-cognize, our sinful condition and the need to be saved from that and it's consequences
It is used in derogatory sense around here, and Christians are routinely compared to nazis, ISIS terrorists etc. The Bible is being described as "writings of ancient savages". It is what it is.
You offered a good definition: "strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline".
Or simply: "adherence to fundamental teachings of Jesus Christ".
Shall we all pull out our little violins and play for you, you poor little persecuted thing. Read the book of Revelation. Jesus said some really harsh stuff about the CHURCHES. You know why? Because they sinned against God while they should have known better than the "world".
Serious question for Finn: Have you ever wept, I mean with bowled over grief for anyone other than yourself?
I've highlighted one of my problems with fundamentalism. What happens when you discover new information that goes against your beliefs?
I've had 1 person use 2 Peter 2 talking about false teachers to get around the fact that several early Christians said the NT HAD been changed (Dionysius of Corinth, Tertullian, Eusebius). they didn't like this new information.
If I'm the false teacher, I did give a reference for them to check.
If Eusebius is a false teacher, that makes most of Christianity suspect, as the writings of Eusebius account for most of what we know about the early Christian church.
And if Tertullian is a false teacher, bang goes the trinity, as he was the first person to formulate that doctrine.
Typically the person didn't respond, but then if I'd destroyed the church, I'd have to blank that out too.
But then that means you are forcing your theology onto reality instead of allowing reality to determine your theology.
Lets see. Thousands of theologians throughout the centuries devoted their life studying the ancient manuscripts ensuring accuracy of the Scripture. But wait! Here comes a 21 century nonbeliever who read a blog about early Christians.
This non believer has no formal education in ancient Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. And, he probably has to lookup the word “Hermeneutics” to even know what it means. But lets all follow him because he knows what he is talking about. Afterall, he read it on the Internet so it must be true,
Well you walk, talk, and breathe. So did the Nazis. Therefore, according to your logic, you must be a Nazi!
Why is it always lust with you? Is it really worth a forever of being dead for a few moments of doing what you do? You should consider that logic before its too late. For what profits a man if he gains the whole world! But loses his own soul?
1) First paragraph:
The list wasn't "my" logic ... it's the logic that Finn has been blessed with hearing from uniquely gifted, non-judgmental, civil, God is love non-fundamental folks.
2)Second paragraph:
No idea what you're getting at with "Why is it always lust with you?"
I totally agree that you really ought to have done your homework like mensaguy said ... honestly, there is no possible reached consensus as to the definition of fundamentalism as those 14 examples recently coming from certain unexpressed views by any non-fundamentalists liberals would suggest otherwise.
Maybe Finn and ilk folks like me and others are what causing the confusion to any consensus.
If we were to go away maybe it would stop your head shaking.
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Lets see. Thousands of theologians throughout the centuries devoted their life studying the ancient manuscripts ensuring accuracy of the Scripture. But wait! Here comes a 21 century nonbeliever who read a blog about early Christians.
This non believer has no formal education in ancient Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. And, he probably has to lookup the word “Hermeneutics” to even know what it means. But lets all follow him because he knows what he is talking about. Afterall, he read it on the Internet so it must be true,
Bonjour!
Seriously? Thousands of "theologians" who have been wrangling about the religion they have built on the simple Way Jesus taught because of THEIR vested interest in the various warring organizations throughout history is your REASON for accepting the particular orthodoxy YOU espouse?
It is NOT an issue of a firm belief and trust in Jesus and God. That makes sense. The issue is having a firm belief and faith in everything in the Bible written by fallible men or in your case the fallible men who wrote the apologetics you read.
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I guess that call also prevented you from answering the questions about why you propose belief in something God did not promise to the detriment of what IS promised?
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