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Old 03-02-2018, 07:55 PM
 
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fundamentalism definition

strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline. An unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.

In other words, a firm belief that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. And our faith and belief in Jesus our Lord, we have hope for eternal life

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Old 03-02-2018, 10:59 PM
 
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Had to start a whole thread just for this?...
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Old 03-03-2018, 02:46 AM
 
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Usually gets lumped in like other religions as extremist , where as the extremist to God are liberal and have swayed from the truth ..... Like activation in the world are only for liberal ideas , and not ideas which are legalism of God Word..... So fundamental ideas which are found ideas on the mental or mind which are the right thing to do from the truth of the living God
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Old 03-03-2018, 05:40 AM
 
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The members have discussed fundamentalism many times, over many years, in many threads, several of which were devoted to the topic. They have never reached a consensus as to the definition of fundamentalism.

The most recent thread is still active on the first page of the forum, but it is certainly not the only thread that has ever covered the topic. It has over 1500 posts.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...-defended.html
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Old 03-03-2018, 05:54 AM
 
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The members have discussed fundamentalism many times, over many years, in many threads, several of which were devoted to the topic. They have never reached a consensus as to the definition of fundamentalism.

The most recent thread is still active on the first page of the forum, but it is certainly not the only thread that has ever covered the topic. It has over 1500 posts.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...-defended.html
The definition pasted is from Webster. It is very clear what it means.

I have seen the muddied posts describing interpretation of the word and God’s Word. Anyone trying to discern any understanding of core beliefs what truly Christianity means is pure folly.
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Old 03-03-2018, 06:29 AM
 
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The members have discussed fundamentalism many times, over many years, in many threads, several of which were devoted to the topic. They have never reached a consensus as to the definition of fundamentalism.

The most recent thread is still active on the first page of the forum, but it is certainly not the only thread that has ever covered the topic. It has over 1500 posts.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...-defended.html


I believe the OP's issue is how so-called "Fundamentalism" is often looked upon unfavorably here because of its appeal to the Bible as the Word of God, where the Bible tends not to be necessarily accepted as such by some of the participants.


Some may see a "Fundamentalist" position as something too "hard-lined" and even cold, perhaps bringing to mind groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church. Also the idea of a sacrificial atonement for sin, fulfilled through Christ is often perceived as unacceptable, and likely seen as a "Fundamentalist" position. And the doctrine of hell is also seen as reprehensible, and probably also regarded as something held by fundamentalists. Yet, I see a number of the counter-claims or positions looking to Scripture in defense of their positions, as well, particularly those of the love of God, and our own obligation to love.


But I'm thinking that the OP is simply taking the position that the Bible is the Word of God, and that the doctrines held within Christianity are to be understood based on what is taught in Scripture, and that to malign that position is somewhat baffling. I don't believe that the intent is to simply beat a dead horse, as it were, but merely to address the issue from his perspective, seeing how there has been a lot of naysaying with respect to the Bible by professing Christians, who have even referred to Bible-believers as idolaters.
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Old 03-03-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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fundamentalism definition

strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline. An unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.

In other words, a firm belief that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. And our faith and belief in Jesus our Lord, we have hope for eternal life
You've missed the point entirely.

The title of this thread indicates a defensive posture - not necessarily a true representation of Fundamentalism in America.

Fundamentalist beliefs are considerably more than what you've stated. In fact, your very brief statement describes all the variations of Christendom as well as some of Islam. Are you aware of this?

How about the crucifixion and resurrection? Those events are unique and not admitted by the saracen, yet despite the resurrection being the foundation stone of Christianity you've neglected it in your statement. Please review your argument. There's a lot more to the positive aspects of Fundamentalism than you seem to realize.

There are also a lot of negative aspects to Fundamentalism than you probably care to admit.

The sect has become a joke in America primarily due to its association with TV preachers in the 1980's. Major theologians of the latter half of the 20th century have bemoaned the cheap influence of Televangelists, saying that their work has made the gospel illegitimate in the eyes of the rest of the world. The advent of the internet has also diluted the impact of evangelism in America. Instead of person to person ministries, most organizations now rely upon web page clicks to transmit the gospel. This technique is totally ineffective since most Christian organizations are more concerned about mission statements and offerings of their gift shop than transmission of the gospel.

There are also the ludicrous and insulting Fundamentalist cult dogmas to consider........

Chief among these doctrines of demons are the interpretations of the tribulation and rapture. The rapture is not Biblical and was invented and promoted during the mid-19th century by John Nelson Darby. A quick visit to Wikipedia will inform the reader about Darby and his work. Darby was also responsible for promulgating his own variation of the tribulation story.

The basic premise of both of Darby's pet dogmas is an anti-semitic variation of the gospel message. According to Darby's spin on the Bible, the purpose of the tribulation is to execute a second holocaust mass murder of Jews because they refuse to join American fundamentalist churches. It is hate language in the extreme. German National Socialists would have loved it.

The basic premise of the rapture dogma is also anti-semitic. When the Star Trek beam out happens, according to this pseudo-religious myth, all American Protestant Fundamentalists will be instantly transported to a dinner location with Jesus somewhere in the stratosphere. The rapture dogma doesn't allow for inclusion of Roman Catholics, of the millions of Orthodox Christians, mainstream denominational Christians or Jews. One wonders how Jesus would get an invitation since HE remains a Jew to this day. The savior of man is not now nor has He ever been an American Fundamentalist. He is a Jew.

Is it any wonder then that the country in general and the world as a whole has come to believe that American Fundamentalism is populated by pseudo-Christians who at heart hate Jews and hope for their extermination simply because Jews refuse to abandon their traditions in favor of snake oil ceremonies, tabloid literature and spiritually shallow theology?

It is time to reevaluate Fundamentalist theology and the belief system that's been corrupted by anti-semitic dogma based upon hate mongering of the Jews. It is time to actually read the Bible and learn what it really says instead of basing mythical doctrines such as the rapture upon only a half dozen misrepresented verses of scripture. It is time to learn how to be a real Christian.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Old 03-03-2018, 06:51 AM
 
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fundamentalism definition

strict adherence to the basic principles of any subject or discipline. An unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.

In other words, a firm belief that the Bible is the infallible, inspired Word of God. And our faith and belief in Jesus our Lord, we have hope for eternal life
Greetings. I believe that what you have offered here is essentially correct. I have also heard a number of Bible-believing Christians who prefer not to call themselves "Fundamentalists", as they feel that this identification may link them with certain doctrines that they do not hold, such as Arminianism or Premillennialism.


Now, this type of an assessment may not be accurate, I really don't know. I know of some believers who do not hold to the above-mentioned positions, who still consider themselves fundamentalists because of their regard for the Bible as the Word of God, and that legitimate Christian beliefs must be based on Scripture, with Christ as the focal point of everything.


It is unfortunate that some who are called fundamentalists are associated with cold and legalistic thinking, where many may come across as judgmental or condemning. The problem is not in addressing the reality of sin or God's displeasure against sin, and how His justice demands payment for sin; but rather the fact that in His love He has sent a Savior, that whoever will embrace Him and believe on Him and trust in Him will be forgiven, and have eternal life through Him. It's just that I had better not look down on another individual as if I am better than him/her. Instead, I am to realize that I am a sinner who has been saved by God's grace, and that I want nothing more than for my neighbor to also be a recipient of that grace, and come to Christ, as well. The message cannot be lopsided in either direction. I can't feel that I am better in God's eyes because of what I may do or not to in order to merit His acceptance, and criticize others who don't meet those standards. But I must understand that I am a sinner, and that outside of God's mercy and grace I cannot be acceptable based on what I do on my own behalf. It is only through Christ's saving work on my behalf that I can be "accepted in the beloved" before God. God bless.
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Old 03-03-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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The members have discussed fundamentalism many times, over many years, in many threads, several of which were devoted to the topic. They have never reached a consensus as to the definition of fundamentalism.

The most recent thread is still active on the first page of the forum, but it is certainly not the only thread that has ever covered the topic. It has over 1500 posts.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...-defended.html
I'm not sure that's true. I think a lot of folks here think very negatively of it, while others not so much. The name has many different connotations.

It's as specific as the name "Christian" is---and that can't even be agreed upon by the people on this forum.
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Old 03-03-2018, 07:08 AM
 
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You've missed the point entirely.

The title of this thread indicates a defensive posture - not necessarily a true representation of Fundamentalism in America.

Fundamentalist beliefs are considerably more than what you've stated. In fact, your very brief statement describes all the variations of Christendom as well as some of Islam. Are you aware of this?

How about the crucifixion and resurrection? Those events are unique and not admitted by the saracen, yet despite the resurrection being the foundation stone of Christianity you've neglected it in your statement. Please review your argument. There's a lot more to the positive aspects of Fundamentalism than you seem to realize.

There are also a lot of negative aspects to Fundamentalism than you probably care to admit.

The sect has become a joke in America primarily due to its association with TV preachers in the 1980's. Major theologians of the latter half of the 20th century have bemoaned the cheap influence of Televangelists, saying that their work has made the gospel illegitimate in the eyes of the rest of the world. The advent of the internet has also diluted the impact of evangelism in America. Instead of person to person ministries, most organizations now rely upon web page clicks to transmit the gospel. This technique is totally ineffective since most Christian organizations are more concerned about mission statements and offerings of their gift shop than transmission of the gospel.

There are also the ludicrous and insulting Fundamentalist cult dogmas to consider........

Chief among these doctrines of demons are the interpretations of the tribulation and rapture. The rapture is not Biblical and was invented and promoted during the mid-19th century by John Nelson Darby. A quick visit to Wikipedia will inform the reader about Darby and his work. Darby was also responsible for promulgating his own variation of the tribulation story.

The basic premise of both of Darby's pet dogmas is an anti-semitic variation of the gospel message. According to Darby's spin on the Bible, the purpose of the tribulation is to execute a second holocaust mass murder of Jews because they refuse to join American fundamentalist churches. It is hate language in the extreme. German National Socialists would have loved it.

The basic premise of the rapture dogma is also anti-semitic. When the Star Trek beam out happens, according to this pseudo-religious myth, all American Protestant Fundamentalists will be instantly transported to a dinner location with Jesus somewhere in the stratosphere. The rapture dogma doesn't allow for inclusion of Roman Catholics, of the millions of Orthodox Christians, mainstream denominational Christians or Jews. One wonders how Jesus would get an invitation since HE remains a Jew to this day. The savior of man is not now nor has He ever been an American Fundamentalist. He is a Jew.

Is it any wonder then that the country in general and the world as a whole has come to believe that American Fundamentalism is populated by pseudo-Christians who at heart hate Jews and hope for their extermination simply because Jews refuse to abandon their traditions in favor of snake oil ceremonies, tabloid literature and spiritually shallow theology?

It is time to reevaluate Fundamentalist theology and the belief system that's been corrupted by anti-semitic dogma based upon hate mongering of the Jews. It is time to actually read the Bible and learn what it really says instead of basing mythical doctrines such as the rapture upon only a half dozen misrepresented verses of scripture. It is time to learn how to be a real Christian.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
And you get all this out of one simple definition. This why we have so many denominations; assumptions and out of context. Or perhaps it comes down to itchy ears?
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