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That's why it's good to actually read what God says, and not base our religion off of the silly superstitions of men.
We don't have anything to read that's actually what God says. That's the basic error in your thinking, your belief that God wrote a book (or dictated one).
Do read what other men's perceptions of God were. Understand the context in which they were written, and take from those words what you can with a discerning mind, but eventually close the book, and commune with God from your soul and seek the truth. It is deeper and farther-reaching than anything you can find in the words of men.
We don't have anything to read that's actually what God says. That's the basic error in your thinking, your belief that God wrote a book (or dictated one).
Do read what other men's perceptions of God were. Understand the context in which they were written, and take from those words what you can with a discerning mind, but eventually close the book, and commune with God from your soul and seek the truth. It is deeper and farther-reaching than anything you can find in the words of men.
Your spirit has evolved.
Those of fundies are still in the primeval soup stage.
We don't have anything to read that's actually what God says. That's the basic error in your thinking, your belief that God wrote a book (or dictated one).
Do read what other men's perceptions of God were. Understand the context in which they were written, and take from those words what you can with a discerning mind, but eventually close the book, and commune with God from your soul and seek the truth. It is deeper and farther-reaching than anything you can find in the words of men.
I'm appreciating your responses in this thread very much, MQ.
We don't have anything to read that's actually what God says. That's the basic error in your thinking, your belief that God wrote a book (or dictated one).
We know that Scripture is inspired. We don't believe that he wrote it, or that he dictated it. He inspired it. Again...you seem to be pretty good about giving your opinion about what we believe, but you are woefully bad about saying what we actually believe.
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Do read what other men's perceptions of God were. Understand the context in which they were written, and take from those words what you can with a discerning mind, but eventually close the book, and commune with God from your soul and seek the truth. It is deeper and farther-reaching than anything you can find in the words of men.
No. I'd rather not read the perceptions of men that were not inspired by God.
We know that Scripture is inspired. We don't believe that he wrote it, or that he dictated it. He inspired it. Again...you seem to be pretty good about giving your opinion about what we believe, but you are woefully bad about saying what we actually believe.
Well, no, quite a few of your same-thinking comrades here do believe that God more or less whispered the words into the minds of the writers and that the words are therefore to be taken literally. What exactly then do YOU mean by "inspired", if not that? And do you not concede that other writers outside the the biblical writings can also be inspired?
Because, and you can take this with as much of a grain of salt as you like, but I am serious--I have written things that I believe were inspired by something larger than me. All people who practice the craft of writing can tell you of the experience of setting down words and not knowing exactly from whence they came. I am, of course, not expecting my words to be considering holy writ, but sometimes there has been a message I wanted to get out, and sometimes, it has been well-received. I would not say such words were God's Words, although I would say they were inspired.
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No. I'd rather not read the perceptions of men that were not inspired by God.
Not sure what you are getting at here. That is not a logical response to what you quoted. I was referring to the Bible. You didn't understand that?
I didn't. Your point is that no one would know about Jesus without the Scriptures, and I demonstrated that you are wrong.
Of course, no one would know YOUR version of Jesus without the Scriptures, so I can concede that.
You said those people had the writings of Thomas, about Jesus. While that’s not in the Bible, it’s still writings about Jesus.
We can know about our Creator God by the world around us. However, we cannot know specifically about Jesus, His mission, His words, miracles, and healings, without Scripture.
There is no my version of Jesus. Typical liberal deflection.
Well, no, quite a few of your same-thinking comrades here do believe that God more or less whispered the words into the minds of the writers and that the words are therefore to be taken literally. What exactly then do YOU mean by "inspired", if not that? And do you not concede that other writers outside the the biblical writings can also be inspired?
Because, and you can take this with as much of a grain of salt as you like, but I am serious--I have written things that I believe were inspired by something larger than me. All people who practice the craft of writing can tell you of the experience of setting down words and not knowing exactly from whence they came. I am, of course, not expecting my words to be considering holy writ, but sometimes there has been a message I wanted to get out, and sometimes, it has been well-received. I would not say such words were God's Words, although I would say they were inspired.
Not sure what you are getting at here. That is not a logical response to what you quoted. I was referring to the Bible. You didn't understand that?
I was under the impression you were saying we shouldn't read the Bible. You seem to have a very low view of it.
I see what you're asking now--do I study the Word of God in context, understanding the culture? Sure. Of course. That's called hermeneutics.
If we Christians acted more like Christ, and were less hateful and judgmental, and loved like we were supposed to love - there probably wouldn't be anti-Christian bigots.
You said those people had the writings of Thomas, about Jesus. While that’s not in the Bible, it’s still writings about Jesus.
We can know about our Creator God by the world around us. However, we cannot know specifically about Jesus, His mission, His words, miracles, and healings, without Scripture.
There is no my version of Jesus. Typical liberal deflection.
Is your version, aka interpretation of Jesus the same as mine? If not then there is a “your version” and a God’s version huh?
That's why it's good to actually read what God says, and not base our religion off of the silly superstitions of men.
Isn’t most of the Bible based on the silly superstitions of ancient men?
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I was referring to the Bible. You didn't understand that?
