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Old 04-14-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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But the context of the scriptures is Abraham who is the father of many nations

The purpose of marriage is children

The healing of the nations

Christianity is wrong where they say the purpose is to go to heaven .... the purpose of the kingdom is to save the world..... for God so LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his OWN son

The children of disobedience come under wrath (Babylon) because they take the kingdom for themselves

The Righteous Shall Live by His Faith

Hab 2:2 And the LORD answered me: “Write the vision; make it plain on tablets, so he may run who reads it.
Hab 2:3 For still the vision awaits its appointed time; it hastens to the end—it will not lie. If it seems slow, wait for it; it will surely come; it will not delay.
Hab 2:4 “Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith.
Hab 2:5 “Moreover, wine is a traitor, an arrogant man who is never at rest. His greed is as wide as Sheol; like death he has never enough. He gathers for himself all nations and collects as his own all peoples.”
Woe to the Chaldeans

Hab 2:6 Shall not all these take up their taunt against him, with scoffing and riddles for him, and say, “Woe to him who heaps up what is not his own— for how long?— and loads himself with pledges!”
Hab 2:7 Will not your debtors suddenly arise, and those awake who will make you tremble? Then you will be spoil for them.
Hab 2:8 Because you have plundered many nations, all the remnant of the peoples shall plunder you, for the blood of man and violence to the earth, to cities and all who dwell in them.
Hab 2:9 “Woe to him who gets evil gain for his house, to set his nest on high, to be safe from the reach of harm!
Hab 2:10 You have devised shame for your house by cutting off many peoples; you have forfeited your life.
Hab 2:11 For the stone will cry out from the wall, and the beam from the woodwork respond.
Hab 2:12 “Woe to him who builds a town with blood and founds a city on iniquity!
Hab 2:13 Behold, is it not from the LORD of hosts that peoples labor merely for fire, and nations weary themselves for nothing?
Hab 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
Hab 2:15 “Woe to him who makes his neighbors drink— you pour out your wrath and make them drunk, in order to gaze at their nakedness!
Hab 2:16 You will have your fill of shame instead of glory. Drink, yourself, and show your uncircumcision! The cup in the LORD's right hand will come around to you, and utter shame will come upon your glory!

This is talking about the systems that rule the earth in unrighteousness, they will come to an end

The people who are Gods love just like God loves and will give up their lives for the world. If you keep your life, you will lose it.


I don't get if you quote the law and the prophets, is the law and the prophets the literal word of God as we are told?
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Old 04-14-2018, 08:07 PM
 
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I don't get if you quote the law and the prophets, is the law and the prophets the literal word of God as we are told?
I have said before you are looking at the signs/symbol/allegory thinking they relate to individual people whereas I believe the people/signs/symbols/allegory relate to the nations/systems

The promises are to Abraham (type) not Moses, moses was appointed to bring the children OUT OF EGYPT (type) after they leave they rebel, and Moses (type) wanders in the WILDERNESS (type) and does NOT enter the promised land Canaan (type), JOSHUA (type) leads the children of Israel into the promised land, but they continue to mix pagan things with Gods words, kings, priests, laws, etc (types) so they are eventually dispersed 10 tribes to “Assyria” (type) and Jews to “Babylon” (type) and then we get to the end of that age (type) we see the Jews ruled by ROME waiting for their Messiah, after the 70 “weeks” they crucify the Passover lamb which leads to leaving EGYPT 70AD (antitype)

The letter is where the “types” and “shadows” “signs” are which has in it the times, seasons relating to Gods plan for the setting up of the kingdom. With jubilees, weeks, seasons

If you mix the letter with the spirit you get corruption..... like needs to be interpreted with like to “see” the plan.

You have taken a step out of Babylon but are trying to go back to Egypt.

Rev 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Gal 3:5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
Gal 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Gal 3:7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”
Gal 3:9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
Gal 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”
Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Gal 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
The Law and the Promise

Gal 3:15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.
Gal 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
Gal 3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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I have said before you are looking at the signs/symbol/allegory thinking they relate to individual people whereas I believe the people/signs/symbols/allegory relate to the nations/systems

The promises are to Abraham (type) not Moses, moses was appointed to bring the children OUT OF EGYPT (type) after they leave they rebel, and Moses (type) wanders in the WILDERNESS (type) and does NOT enter the promised land Canaan (type), JOSHUA (type) leads the children of Israel into the promised land, but they continue to mix pagan things with Gods words, kings, priests, laws, etc (types) so they are eventually dispersed 10 tribes to “Assyria” (type) and Jews to “Babylon” (type) and then we get to the end of that age (type) we see the Jews ruled by ROME waiting for their Messiah, after the 70 “weeks” they crucify the Passover lamb which leads to leaving EGYPT 70AD (antitype)

The letter is where the “types” and “shadows” “signs” are which has in it the times, seasons relating to Gods plan for the setting up of the kingdom. With jubilees, weeks, seasons

If you mix the letter with the spirit you get corruption..... like needs to be interpreted with like to “see” the plan.

You have taken a step out of Babylon but are trying to go back to Egypt.

Rev 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?
Gal 3:5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—
Gal 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Gal 3:7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”
Gal 3:9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
Gal 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”
Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
Gal 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
The Law and the Promise

Gal 3:15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.
Gal 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
Gal 3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

The name Egypt is a name for whatever nation is the current ruling nation made up of many nations, in Joseph's day, that was Egypt where all people come from in symbolism being that it symbolizes flesh. But then other nations became ruling nations from Persia to then being Rome where Jesus was crucified.




But let me ask you again,'' Do you believe the law and the prophets are the word of God, and do you believe all the prophesies of the prophets?

Revelation is a book to live by, not something waited upon, every Gentile who receives the spirit of Elijah begins walking in that book beginning on Tishri 1. Revelation is showing Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur happening in three different views from 3 different perspectives where when the first seal is broken, the first voice of the trumpet is spoken, and the first bowl is poured out and it is showing the exact things from heaven, from earth, and from the soul.


Those dead bodies are when a Gentile has died and become a Jew, and what we are witnessing is a Gentile becoming a Jew who is becoming a priest beginning on Rosh Hashanah how Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur play out in a person. Then it details the feast of Tabernacles and Shemini Atzeret which is the conclusion day of the fall holy days where the rain is given just as it was on Pentecost.




AGAIN, You are reading the New Testament which was written to Gentiles who converted to Judaism and took on the 7 feasts of Jesus and his Holy eighth day, and Christianity remained a legal sect of Judaism for over 100 years and this is historical fact because Rome WOULD NOT let there be ANY RELIGIONS not sanctioned by Rome and Christianity came under the umbrella of Judaism.


Do you believe that the law and the prophets is the word of God and that he spoke prophesies to be fulfilled by his prophets?


Do you believe the law and the prophets and that it is God's word?
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Old 04-15-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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The name Egypt is a name for whatever nation is the current ruling nation made up of many nations, in Joseph's day, that was Egypt where all people come from in symbolism being that it symbolizes flesh. But then other nations became ruling nations from Persia to then being Rome where Jesus was crucified.




But let me ask you again,'' Do you believe the law and the prophets are the word of God, and do you believe all the prophesies of the prophets?

Revelation is a book to live by, not something waited upon, every Gentile who receives the spirit of Elijah begins walking in that book beginning on Tishri 1. Revelation is showing Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur happening in three different views from 3 different perspectives where when the first seal is broken, the first voice of the trumpet is spoken, and the first bowl is poured out and it is showing the exact things from heaven, from earth, and from the soul.


Those dead bodies are when a Gentile has died and become a Jew, and what we are witnessing is a Gentile becoming a Jew who is becoming a priest beginning on Rosh Hashanah how Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur play out in a person. Then it details the feast of Tabernacles and Shemini Atzeret which is the conclusion day of the fall holy days where the rain is given just as it was on Pentecost.




AGAIN, You are reading the New Testament which was written to Gentiles who converted to Judaism and took on the 7 feasts of Jesus and his Holy eighth day, and Christianity remained a legal sect of Judaism for over 100 years and this is historical fact because Rome WOULD NOT let there be ANY RELIGIONS not sanctioned by Rome and Christianity came under the umbrella of Judaism.


Do you believe that the law and the prophets is the word of God and that he spoke prophesies to be fulfilled by his prophets?


Do you believe the law and the prophets and that it is God's word?
The scriptures are worded using parables, symbols, allegories...... language that means something else. Jesus says what the law is ——> loving God and your neighbour as yourself, and as individuals that is our responsibility. The law, prophets, scribes have been taken up by another “kingdom” which Jesus came to destroy, he “chose” 12 disciples of which one would betray him, gathering the high priests and rulers to himself.

Just like there were corrupt scribes, prophets, priests in the Old they are in the New too.

I believe there is a lot of prophecy and it’s been misinterpreted. “Abraham” is the Father of many nations .

A lot of People in the bible are not historical characters, and if they were the things written about them is not their actual history, it is prophetic about national things.

The sabbath is only one day (a day is as 1000 years) 6 days of creation, 1 day of rest.

It seems to me that you making another garbled system to replace the systems that have misinterpreted the scriptures. I do not see the point of what you are saying.

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Old 04-18-2018, 05:20 AM
 
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The scriptures are worded using parables, symbols, allegories...... language that means something else. Jesus says what the law is ——> loving God and your neighbour as yourself, and as individuals that is our responsibility. The law, prophets, scribes have been taken up by another “kingdom” which Jesus came to destroy, he “chose” 12 disciples of which one would betray him, gathering the high priests and rulers to himself.

Just like there were corrupt scribes, prophets, priests in the Old they are in the New too.

I believe there is a lot of prophecy and it’s been misinterpreted. “Abraham” is the Father of many nations .

A lot of People in the bible are not historical characters, and if they were the things written about them is not their actual history, it is prophetic about national things.

The sabbath is only one day (a day is as 1000 years) 6 days of creation, 1 day of rest.

It seems to me that you making another garbled system to replace the systems that have misinterpreted the scriptures. I do not see the point of what you are saying.
That is what Hilel said...
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Old 04-18-2018, 05:32 AM
 
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That is what Hilel said...
I don’t know hilel..... so I’ll go see what he said
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Old 05-29-2018, 11:36 PM
 
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I just read this a few days ago while I was reading Matthew. It was very clear when I read it. Here is what I thought: Those who rejected the wedding feast were the conservative Pharisees, very similar to the Christians today who place their business and conservative values above the biblical values. There were prophets in the midst of the Pharisees, yet they didn't seem to notice, understand, or care. They read and interpreted the scriptures the same way that conservative Christians do today. But outsiders (so-called "gentiles") often identified with the same values and teachings of the true prophets. They benefitted when they heard the voice of the true prophets.

It's important when reading a parable to read the section just BEFORE and just AFTER the parable as well. These give hints to the meaning. It's like the "sandwich" method of biblical interpretation. (This is very clear when Jesus sees the fig tree before going into the temple, cleanses the temple, then curses the immediately withered tree.) You could almost think of every event in the gospels as a parable.
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Old 05-29-2018, 11:49 PM
 
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The "king's armies" who "set the city on fire" refers to the destruction of the temple and the attack on Jesusalem in 70AD.

The Jews would automatically understand everything about what this parable implied.

This interpretation wouldn't make sense if you accepted an early dating of Matthew, which is completely impossible in my opinion.

Most Christians would think of those who attacked the temple as the "enemy" of God. But this is explicitly saying that it was God's people.
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