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Anti-Semitism is quite a thing, Not only is it extremely offensive, but then people actually claim to be the new Jew, or they claim every promise spoken to Jews as if those promises were spoken to somebody else.
A Jew follows God as demanded by God, and he is called a Satanist?
Demanded?
The promise given to Abraham is Fulfilled in Yeshua(jesus.
The promise given to Abraham is Fulfilled in Yeshua(jesus.
Your opinion, not what Jesus says, not what any of the bible says. It is what you say, the religion of God is not going to go away just because you aren't keeping it, or that you aren't a Jew whose culture and heritage is to keep the commandments of God.
Civil?
How many Believers in the Holy One of Yisrael have you called gentiles(satan)..
Its too late for the liars who cursed men this yr on the full moon of Shavuot shalom.
On Shavuot Shalom? you want to be more specific, I literaly don't know what you are talking about, Pentecost has come already, what do you mean this year?
Did the spirit tell you something would happen this year? what day again?
Anti-Semitism is quite a thing, Not only is it extremely offensive, but then people actually claim to be the new Jew, or they claim every promise spoken to Jews as if those promises were spoken to somebody else.
A Jew follows God as demanded by God, and he is called a Satanist?
So i put forth a single question. What is satans Yoke?
Bondage. Slavery. Servitude. Consider for a moment that every Judeo-Christian sin is both socially destructive and very often addictive. People get addicted to drugs and it destroys their life. They get addicted to sex and it destroys their life. (See Tiger Woods.) They get addicted to stealing, aka kleptomania, and it destroys their life. They get addicted to gambling and it destroys their life. Serial rapists are addicted to rape. Serial killers are addicted to killing people. All of the above do horrible damage to everyone in society.
It is only by restraining your base animal instincts and conforming to religiously/socially defined morality that you can truly thrive in life. The God of Israel is always talking about bondage as a consequence to abandoning Him. The devil takes a variety tactics to get the people of God to abandon God and bring them into slavery -- real slavery and enslavement to vice.
Jesus came to take two men named Ephraim and Judah to make them ONE SINGLE MAN. This means that the outer man of flesh represents a Gentile, and it represents a Gentile even on a Jew. It represents the desires of your flesh, and all men are flesh with evil desires, and those desires come to a man by who and what?
How did Jesus take Ephraim and Judah and make them one man? They are CERTAINLY not one man today if Gentiles are actually Ephraim.
If the covenant doesn't apply as Ephraim being the flesh and Judah being the spirit, then Gentiles have no covenant at all. Before they could have a covenant, they would have to be Ephraim or Judah because of the fact that the covenant is only made for Ephraim and Judah. Maybe I am wrong, maybe the flesh isn't Ephraim, and maybe the spirit isn't of a Jew. But if I am wrong, Gentiles don't have a covenant because modern Christians are neither Ephraim or Judah and so why are they speaking of a covenant at all?
Jesus came marrying the Gentile as a Jew, and he did this to allow Gentiles a way to be grafted into Israel through a conversion to the religion of Jesus with all his 7 feasts.
The Jews have been standing alone in a covenant made for Ephraim and Judah for 2000 years when Gentiles stopped converting to the ways of Messiah, they stopped keeping all of God's ways on punishment of death, they stopped becoming co-heirs with Jews under he name of Ephraim, and they are not Ephraim at all now.
UNLESS one can say that Jesus took two men to make them one man where one man represents the outer man of flesh and desires, and the other represents the hidden man of the heart as a Jew.
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Having a debate about the devil being God's servant, or, the devil acting of his own will, is actually very unimportant. If you're a Christian then you must believe that God will accomplish HIS will and HIS plan. He already has it all figured out. There is no debating that.
Satan opposes GOD and acts against him with his own will. God is all knowing and all powerful. How can anything that happens not, in the least, be allowed to happen by God's will? If God created the universe and allows a devil, or evil men, or negative events to occur then he is, at least, secondarily responsible through inaction by HIS divine will. And, regardless, God's divine plan will never be altered by the devil, or anyone else.
Of course, that assignment of responsibility can only be attributed by looking at the world through our view of linear time. God's will encompasses all of time. I've heard God's will described as a tapestry - each small event is described as a thread in the rug. God can see the whole rug - which is good (or HIS plan, which must be good, if you believe in God as holy) - but we can only see the threads which may appear as good, bad, disastrous, filled with blessings, etc.
Therefore, trying to determine the devil's position, whether or not free will exists for the devil, or humans, is actually insignificant, because it will never change God's will.
You can not have a God that is all powerful, omnipresent, outside of time, and has a 'master plan,' without coming to terms with the reality that bad things happen. The hard truth is that God allows "bad" things to happen because these "bad" things are threads that fit within the greater tapestry of his plan. I think this better explains the Jewish view. They understood that the world, in reality, is filled with good and "bad" events. If an all powerful God exists, then we have to come to terms with this belief by attributing these events, good and bad, to God's all knowing plan.
Devils, demons, bad men, bad events, sin...it all is allowed to happen under God's plan for HIS ultimate glory in a way that mortal men can not understand.
From another blog on the subject of OT Satan vs NT Satan. All bolding and emphasis mine.
Has Christianity ever been Anti-Semitic? Have they ever outlawed the ways of God because they hated the Jews so much? Have they ever made laws on the Jew and taxed him just because he was a Jew? Has Christianity ever tried to force Jews to stop being Jews?
Has Christianity ever tried to do away with a culture and heritage of a tribal people as if to make them stop keeping their own culture and heritage? Did Christianity produce many writing from their church fathers who deemed the Jews subhuman to where they couldn't own any land, then persecuted them for following their God? Has Christianity canceled the Jew out to think Gentiles are now the true Israel?
The way Christianity has treated Jews is like a white man walking into a tribal camp fire of Indians keeping their culture and heritage, but the white man wont have it, and then the white man tells these tribal people that he is the real Indian, and only he knows how to serve God, and whatever promises were made to the tribal people now come to the white man.
Do you think God is through with Israel?
Do you think that you are now the New Jew, and that all those wonderful promises are about Gentiles, NOT JEWS?
Do you think the Jews should stop keeping the commandments of God to become like Gentile Christians?
Bondage. Slavery. Servitude. Consider for a moment that every Judeo-Christian sin is both socially destructive and very often addictive. People get addicted to drugs and it destroys their life. They get addicted to sex and it destroys their life. (See Tiger Woods.) They get addicted to stealing, aka kleptomania, and it destroys their life. They get addicted to gambling and it destroys their life. Serial rapists are addicted to rape. Serial killers are addicted to killing people. All of the above do horrible damage to everyone in society.
It is only by restraining your base animal instincts and conforming to religiously/socially defined morality that you can truly thrive in life. The God of Israel is always talking about bondage as a consequence to abandoning Him. The devil takes a variety tactics to get the people of God to abandon God and bring them into slavery -- real slavery and enslavement to vice.
Thankyou very much for the conversation.
I agree with your sentiment.
Except for one thing.
I wouldnt call any of these things base animal instincts but rather learned behavior wiith a spiritual principle motivating each.
And also,
You chose more of the obvious evils that are quite rare with rigid judgement, as is theft. Set up land boundaries and theft can be conflated with murder. All of this is moot in comparison to Satan's yoke.
And this is because every base animal need is already provided for. Water, food, clothing, etc.
Just as Yeshua said, look at the birds.
Indeed, look at the foul birds habitating this world.
It is a yoke no one is asked to carry.
Yet Richard will not even define what Satan's yoke is.
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