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What was it about the PARABLE of the Rich man and Lazarus did you NOT comprehend? You always seem to run down a rabbit trail, which has nothing to do with what is being said. It had NOTHING to do with selling two turtle doves or the so called money changers, nor any government regulation. Again, nothing but nonsense comes out of your mouth. Don't cook scrambled-eggs and call it oatmeal? Good grief!
NO just grief ... that you think he is upset with those who believed his word and walked in it....
he is upset with those who use his word AND HIS CHURCH STRUCTURE, AND HIS NAME....for their own agendas.... good grief is right..
and that has no parallel with today's REAL churches..
HIS WORD WILL ONLY expose those who promote worldly man's ideas.... and his government'S PROGRAMS AND COURTS OF LAWLESSNESS ...... and current ideas of this CULTURE and those social agendas which follow them..... as if it is equal to ... His word...AND THUS USE HIS NAME...... RICH OR POOR... THOSE who do that IN "his churches"..
No THERE IS just grief.
NO just grief ... that you think he is upset with those who believed his word and walked in it....
he is upset with those who use his word AND HIS CHURCH STRUCTURE, AND HIS NAME....for their own agendas.... good grief is right..
and that has no parallel with today's REAL churches..
HIS WORD WILL ONLY expose those who promote worldly man's ideas.... and his government'S PROGRAMS AND COURTS OF LAWLESSNESS ...... and current ideas of this CULTURE and those social agendas which follow them..... as if it is equal to ... His word...AND THUS USE HIS NAME...... RICH OR POOR... THOSE who do that IN "his churches"..
No THERE IS just grief.
But they think it can be true by insulting and shouting everyone down long enough that you just walk away. Well, according to their faith anyway. Oh, and don’t forget the suppression of free speech. That one trick is very important to them
A non-literal interpretation of this parable is that the rich man represents the Jews (i.e., Pharisees), and Lazarus who was outside the gate with the dogs represented those whom the religious leaders despised as unclean such as non-Jewish people, or those whom they considered outside the blessings of God because of THEIR contamination with sin or uncleanness (i.e., the tax collectors, prostitutes, and mentally ill).
Interestingly, during the ministry of Jesus, many such COMMONLY DESPISED people turned to follow Jesus and hungered after thewords of life (John 6:68) which proceeded from Jesus. People like Lazarus, the beggar, were a despised people who hungered in vain for the crumbs of mercy from the tables of the rich religious leaders WHO condemned them. What is needed to cross the chasm is repentance on the part of the rich man and that of forgiveness, which can only come from the heart of another. It is not about your concept of heaven and hell, or ETERNAL DAMNATION.
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Originally Posted by n..Xuipa
odd to me that you call them religious leaders.... if that really message Jesus was speaking ABOUT ...
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
What was it about the PARABLE of the Rich man and Lazarus did you NOT comprehend? You always seem to run down a rabbit trail, which has nothing to do with what is being said. It had NOTHING to do with selling two turtle doves or the so called money changers, nor any government regulation. Again, nothing but nonsense comes out of your mouth. Don't cook scrambled-eggs and call it oatmeal? Good grief!
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Originally Posted by n..Xuipa
NO just grief ... that you think he is upset with those who believed his word and walked in it....
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Originally Posted by KJoe11
But they think it can be true by insulting and shouting everyone down long enough that you just walk away. Well, according to their faith anyway. Oh, and don’t forget the suppression of free speech. That one trick is very important to them
Please, speak up if you have something worth saying, otherwise you are out to lunch with Xuipa?
Who is a bit "too strange or confused to know what is really happening." But that doesn't matter?
But they think it can be true by insulting and shouting everyone down long enough that you just walk away. Well, according to their faith anyway. Oh, and don’t forget the suppression of free speech. That one trick is very important to them
yes.. that is the fingerprints.. that there is man tactics / not God's ways.
his call to them is Isa 44:22... now are these days..
Isa 44:22
I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
one promoting religion of men and the other promoting the ideas of men. over His ways.. and his wWords and his instruction.
they must return to HIM..
repentance means to return..
to a relationship with him..
how do we know for sure neither of them has a real relationship.. to his Father through him or to his body?
because they know it all..
they never repent of their ideas..
but people in relationships get stuff wrong. sometimes very wrong. Just like the man who bound Pauls hands.. he got it wrong.. but he was part right and it confirmed to Paul what Paul was to do... the 1/2 wrong became the double witnesses// so even wrong he was right!!! .... because two people can and do miss-understand each other at least half the time.. which makes you know these people on these kinds of lists... aren't listening to Him for their daily instructions and their communications about him or from him...... These are just doing religion or anti-religion.... religion.. but no relationship and doing it all in his name.. and that will end..
if they were in relationship like the man who bound Pauls hands... they would be proudly half wrong half the time.. proud because they are proud of him, of Big Daddy.. they don't care what he is doing or saying they just want to do what their Daddy is doing... even if they get it wrong or half wrong....
These people never go off half-cocked with half a word/ or half a step.... that he actually told them.......... they are always fully cocked and armed to the core..and they never repent.. that alone is the fingerprint of fallen mankind ..
They have to be right... which is arrogance..and so they do not walk humbly with their God..
SO in relationship with Our God, So we are safe to be wrong and he can and does turn our wrong interpretation of his minute by minute communications... into our good and His glory...because he loves us.. he has and will turn all things even evil for our good...
I can only beg them to return to HIM. and to drop their filthy theologies at his feet..... as Isa 44 :22 says it ..
He is good and He is faithful...
and he has true wisdom.
and not the wisdom of men..
because that will let them down.
that will fail them.
But they think it can be true by insulting and shouting everyone down long enough that you just walk away. Well, according to their faith anyway. Oh, and don’t forget the suppression of free speech. That one trick is very important to them
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Originally Posted by n..Xuipa
yes.. that is the fingerprints.. that there is man tactics / not God's ways.
his call to them is Isa 44:22... now are these deays..
Isa 44:22
I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
one promoting religion of men and the other promoting the ideas of men. over His ways.. and his wWords and his instruction.
they must return to HIM..
repentance means to return..
to a relationship with him..
how do we know for sure neither of them has a real relationship.. to his Father through him or to his body?
because they know it all..
they never repent of their ideas..
but people in relationships get stuff wrong. sometimes very wrong. Just like the man who bound Pauls hands.. he got it wrong.. but he was part right and it confirmed to Paul what Paul was to do... the 1/2 wrong became the double witnesses// so even wrong he was right!!! .... because two people can and do miss-understand each other at least half the time.. which makes you know these people on these kinds of lists... aren't listening to Him for their daily instructions and their communications about him or from him...... These are just doing religion or anti-religion.... religion.. but no relationship and doing it all in his name.. and that will end..
if theywere in relationship like th eman who bound pauls hands... they would be proudly half wrong half the time.. proud because they are proud of him, of Big Daddy.. they don't care what he is doing or saying they just want to do what is a daddy is doing... even if they get it wrong or half wrong....
These people never go off half-cocked with half a word/ or half a step.... he actually told them.......... they are always fully cocked and armed to the core..and they never repent.. that alone is the fingerprint of fallen mankind ..
They have to be right... which is arrogance..and so they do not walk humbly with their God..
SO in relationship with Our God, So we are safe to be wrong and he can and does turn our wrong interpretation of his minute by minute communications... into our good and His glory...because he .loves us.. he has and will turn all things even evil for our good...
I can only beg them to return to HIM.adn drop their theologies at his feet..... as Isa 44 :22 says..
He is good and He is faithful...
and he has true wisdom.
and not the wisdom of men..
because that will let them down.
that will fail them.
Hey KJ, would you like to interpret what she just said?
Not will, Birdy, He already HAS saved each and every one of us. We have nothing to do with our salvation just what we will reap based on what we sow.
I behold the salvation of our Lord in 3 tenses, past, present, future and all in the present continuous tense. In the mind of our Creator & Father it is indeed a done deal that is fully incremented in the fulless of time.
The entire Plan of His is glorious from start to finish!
Not will, Birdy, He already HAS saved each and every one of us. We have nothing to do with our salvation just what we will reap based on what we sow.
While Jesus has already done the work, we do have a part to play. That is, faith in His work on the cross.
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