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Old 03-30-2020, 05:52 AM
 
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"For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." -Romans 5:19-

Superior Plan A = The perfect God Equation =

Adam 1 “many made sinners” Last Adam “many made righteous.”

Replacement plan b=

Adam 1 = “many made sinners”

Last Adam = a few made righteous: very few.

many = polus

some = tis

all = pas

few = oligos

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Old 03-30-2020, 08:08 AM
 
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"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim. 2:4

koine thelo=

To will, have in mind, intend.

To be resolved or determined/ to purpose.

To sovereignly determine.

†θέλω thélō, thel’-o; apparently strengthened from the alternate form of G138; to determine (as an active option from subjective impulse.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 08:15 AM
 
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Have you gone to the bible to hear from God about universal reconciliation ?. An open heart to Spirit would go a long way towards hearing God and knowing God, which would require letting go of your prejudices towards your own beliefs.
I don't go to the Bible to look for an outcome.

I go to the Bible to learn about God.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 08:29 AM
 
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I don't go to the Bible to look for an outcome.

I go to the Bible to learn about God.
That explains a lot.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 09:13 AM
 
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I don't go to the Bible to look for an outcome.

I go to the Bible to learn about God.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 10:44 AM
 
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I don't go to the Bible to look for an outcome.

I go to the Bible to learn about God.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Old 03-30-2020, 04:27 PM
 
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I don't go to the Bible to look for an outcome.

I go to the Bible to learn about God.
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Yet, both of you are concerned with your so called eternal destiny or if you prefer the outcome.

If you could get beyond that false ideology, then you might actually learn more about your God.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 05:38 PM
 
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Yet, both of you are concerned with your so called eternal destiny or if you prefer the outcome.
If you could get beyond that false ideology, then you might actually learn more about your God.
Christians learn about their God by learning what Jesus is like, period, and He was unambiguous in His response to our brutal and ignorant ancient ancestors. THAT is your standard. Use your ability to imagine HOW Jesus thought and felt about things based on His actions, NOT the musings, interpretations, traditions, and primitive beliefs of our ignorant ancestors recorded in the Bible. The best indications of HOW Jesus thought and felt can be found in the Sermon on the Mount, 1st Cor 13, and Galatians 5.
 
Old 03-30-2020, 05:58 PM
 
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Christians learn about their God by learning what Jesus is like, period, and He was unambiguous in His response to our brutal and ignorant ancient ancestors. THAT is your standard. Use your ability to imagine HOW Jesus thought and felt about things based on His actions, NOT the musings, interpretations, traditions, and primitive beliefs of our ignorant ancestors recorded in the Bible. The best indications of HOW Jesus thought and felt can be found in the Sermon on the Mount, 1st Cor 13, and Galatians 5.
OK - I'll just stick with what Jesus said. While He loved people and sacrificed Himself for our sins, the reality of hell and fire after this life is still there... which is actually why He sacrificed Himself for our sins.

Matthew 5:29-30 - 29 If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Matthew 13;41-43 - The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 10:28 - Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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