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Old 03-13-2020, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Pure hokum - bovine excrement.

Read the Bible - understand the LAW.

Doctrines of man will not save anybody. Salvation is offered to all, but not all will accept it.

But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. - JESUS as quoted by Matthew 7:14

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. - JESUS as quoted by John 3:19

Did JESUS know what He was talking about, or shall we believe licentious teachings of men who justify SIN so as to lead the gullible astray?

JESUS is the truth.

Those that sincerely seek truth will find it. When they do they will discover it speaks to them in no uncertain terms.

It speaks action of them they do not wish to perform. It speaks denial of SIN.

Universalism is a demonic denial of one's spiritual responsibility to deny SIN.

It is a denial of God's LAW, which requires all men to actively present themselves before God, bringing their sacrifice with them, in humble petition for forgiveness of SIN. No priest or doctrine of man can do it for us. We must come individually before God. If we do not do so personally, then it will not be given.

(Read Exodus & Leviticus)

The LAW stands.

It has not been subverted destroyed or replaced by licentious grace.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. - JESUS as quoted by Matthew 5:17

"you do not have because you do not ask." - James 4:2b

One must ASK for salvation. It is not automatically given to all. It is offered, but not received by all.

Beware the doctrines of man which seek to subvert the designs of Almighty God. Run, do not walk, away from them.

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; - Revelation 18:4

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Come out of that choir loft ...

 
Old 03-13-2020, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The punishment for the unrepentant Spirit/Mind, is eternal. "ETERNAL OBLIVION."
An atheistic perspective that death is equivalent to eternal oblivion, where everything dissolves into nothingness, and there is no more pain or suffering. So, why would anyone fear that? And like Socrates said, it would be but a "sleep" without dreams. He further says that people who fear death are showing their ignorance, because death might be a good thing, yet people fear it; even though they cannot know whether it is good or evil. I suppose it would depend on one's definition of evil?
 
Old 03-13-2020, 08:37 PM
 
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This thread is being started to have a place for discussing of all aspects of Universalism. At the time it is started, there are 6 threads open and active just on the first page of the Christianity forum. As those threads run their courses, they will be closed, as will older ones that get resurrected. It is the view of the moderators that having one thread to discuss a topic leaves more topics in view for those readers who only browse the first page of the forum (most readers).

These links will be removed in a few days.

Why Universalism is false (and Hell is real)

Universalism revealed in radical forgiveness

The inescapable answer to the hardest theological question

The age of accountability and Universalism

Indeed Very Many: Universalism in the Early Church

By request: Heresy vs Universalism as the undivided truth- A call for broader acceptance
Can you tell us why the religion of Universalism is allowed on a Christianity forum?
 
Old 03-13-2020, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Can you tell us why the religion of Universalism is allowed on a Christianity forum?
Yes.

Because this is a forum to discuss Christianity - in all its forms. Not a Christianity forum.

Now I have a question for you:

How can you be a member here for nearly 3 years and not know that?
 
Old 03-13-2020, 08:43 PM
 
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Can you tell us why the religion of Universalism is allowed on a Christianity forum?
Not everything falls under the jurisdiction of extreme fundamentalism.
 
Old 03-13-2020, 08:58 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Can you tell us why the religion of Universalism is allowed on a Christianity forum?
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Yes.

Because this is a forum to discuss Christianity - in all its forms. Not a Christianity forum.

Now I have a question for you:

How can you be a member here for nearly 3 years and not know that?
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Not everything falls under the jurisdiction of extreme fundamentalism.
Yep

The reason is because the gospel is universal

The ‘Word’ is not to be restricted, it is to go out into ALL the world
 
Old 03-13-2020, 09:43 PM
 
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Yep

The reason is because the gospel is universal

The ‘Word’ is not to be restricted, it is to go out into ALL the world
Do you consider this a valid answer? Terms of service states that this is a Christianity forum. It is not a Universal or New Age site. But of course that would stifle most of the people here so I guess the sophistry continues
 
Old 03-14-2020, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Do you consider this a valid answer? Terms of service states that this is a Christianity forum. It is not a Universal or New Age site. But of course that would stifle most of the people here so I guess the sophistry continues
If you believe that universalism is new age, then you hold to a mistaken belief without understanding the Scriptures.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 05:49 AM
 
Location: NC
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Do you consider this a valid answer? Terms of service states that this is a Christianity forum. It is not a Universal or New Age site. But of course that would stifle most of the people here so I guess the sophistry continues
Hi, Christian Universalism is not a New Age idea. Many Christians have held to this belief since the days of the early church. Many if not most of the first believers believed in the eventual restoration of all people to God. Believers who believe in Christian Universalism or Universal Salvation are also Christians. God bless.
 
Old 03-14-2020, 05:55 AM
 
Location: NC
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The word "eternal" means without beginning and without end. That would mean that punishment or hell has had no beginning and no end. Someone said that the punishment for the unrepentant spirit/mind is eternal oblivion. Whatever you have said to be the spirit/mind then, would have always been obliterated, having no beginning and that makes no sense.


God is greater than an unrepentant mind/spirit. God has all power.
He is able to bring anyone to repentance in His own time.
With man, this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible.
He will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.
He can and will accomplish this.
Light is greater than darkness.
Good is greater than evil.
Truth is greater than ignorance.
Love is greater than hate.


God bless.
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