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He’s getting carried away thing the words and symbols that have been used to convey “spiritual” ideas and concepts
The scriptures (and most if not all of our ancient writings) have so many signs, symbols in them that all religions have misunderstood in part
1 apple plus 2 oranges is 3 fruit
But 3 fruit does not necessarily mean apples and oranges, they could be any type
What amazes me is how blind & dumb we can be. Like the blind man staggering along until the Master of ephphatha crosses his path, we too must be awakened by the Living One.
There has always been a witness, in every age, as this One awakens the deeps to call to them from the Glory...deep calling unto deep at the noise of His waterspouts.
There are "kindred hearted ones", that sing back and forth to one another of our lovely Lord, the Master of reconciliation, the Lord Jesus Christ.
“Those in whom the Spirit comes to live are God's new Temple. They are, individually and corporately, places where heaven and earth meet.” - N.T. Wright-
The Lord has declared the entire universe of the heavens, earth & underworld will ultimately bow the knee & confess in worship of unrestrained tones “You are Lord”! This worship is NOT by perfunctory genuflections but IN/EN His lovely Name.
“Assuredly the Bible is not the story of sin, deepening into eternal ruin, of God’s Son, worsted in His utmost effort; it is from the opening to the close the story of grace stronger than sin - of life victorious over every form of death - of God triumphing over evil.” -Christ Triumphant-
Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added).
No created thing is left out.
This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off. Saying (legonta). Masculine (construction according to sense, personifying the created things) if genuine, though some MSS. have legonta (grammatical gender agreeing with panta) present active participle of legw, to say. And to the Lamb (kai twi arniwi). Dative case. Praise and worship are rendered to the Lamb precisely as to God on the throne. -A.T. Robertson Word Pictures-
The Lord has declared the entire universe of the heavens, earth & underworld will ultimately bow the knee & confess in worship of unrestrained tones “You are Lord”! This worship is NOT by perfunctory genuflections but IN/EN His lovely Name.
“Assuredly the Bible is not the story of sin, deepening into eternal ruin, of God’s Son, worsted in His utmost effort; it is from the opening to the close the story of grace stronger than sin - of life victorious over every form of death - of God triumphing over evil.” -Christ Triumphant-
All sin, all thanantos swallowed up in Life!
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
The Lord has declared the entire universe of the heavens, earth & underworld will ultimately bow the knee & confess in worship of unrestrained tones “You are Lord”! This worship is NOT by perfunctory genuflections but IN/EN His lovely Name.
“Assuredly the Bible is not the story of sin, deepening into eternal ruin, of God’s Son, worsted in His utmost effort; it is from the opening to the close the story of grace stronger than sin - of life victorious over every form of death - of God triumphing over evil.” -Christ Triumphant-
All sin, all thanantos swallowed up in Life!
Isn't it wonderful He is able to do this? I think God decided in the beginning He would make man suffer for a short time but it being necessary. Would God want a battle tested companion to share His glory with or a person who has never known difficulties? He chose to put us through the fire, not by our own doing. He is author and finisher of ALL things.
Isn't it wonderful He is able to do this? I think God decided in the beginning He would make man suffer for a short time but it being necessary. Would God want a battle tested companion to share His glory with or a person who has never known difficulties? He chose to put us through the fire, not by our own doing. He is author and finisher of ALL things.
God is not only the Beginning & the Ending AKA the Author & Finisher, He is Father. Yes, the Lord Jesus Christ declares Him in the most intimate term, ABBA, dearest Daddy.
Dearest Daddy has destined the entire mass of mankind ruined in Adam1 in the great schism reconciled by at-one-ment in the Last!
He comes to make His blessings flow far as the curse is found!
Isn't it wonderful He is able to do this? I think God decided in the beginning He would make man suffer for a short time but it being necessary. Would God want a battle tested companion to share His glory with or a person who has never known difficulties? He chose to put us through the fire, not by our own doing. He is author and finisher of ALL things.
The larger hope emphatically & fully accepts the doctrine of retribution. Those who picture Universalism as some easygoing system, which refuses to face the stern facts of sin and misery and retribution, are hopelessly wrong.
We press on all the impenitent the awful certainty of a wrath to come, and this with far more chance of acceptance, because taught in a form that does not wound the conscience; because we cannot teach that finite sin shall receive an infinite penalty.
Few things have so hindered the spread of the larger hope as the wholly and absolutely groundless notion, that it implies an inadequate sense of sin, and pictures God as a weakly indulgent Being, careless of holiness, provided the happiness of His creatures is secured.
In fact it is those who teach the popular creed, and not we, who make light of sin. To teach unending sin in hell, even in a solitary instance, and under any conceivable modification, is to teach the victory of evil. To us this seems at once a libel on God and an untruth -a libel because it imputes to God a final acquiescence in sin; an untruth, because it teaches that His Omnipotence breaks down at the very moment it is most needed, and that His Love and Purity can rest with absolute complacency, while pain and evil riot and rot for ever.
May it not be said a peculiarly evil form of dualism, for in it the Good Spirit freely permits the entrance of evil, which He knows will endure for ever? -Christ Triumphant-
1. How does the Lake of Fire & Deity compare with our God the Consuming Fire?
2. Does the Lord Jesus Christ have greater concern for remnant pieces of bread & fish, that nothing be lost/apollumi, than the souls for whom He is the at-one-ment?
3. Is God the Saviour of ALL mankind or only a potential Saviour?
4. Does especially mean only in 1 Tim. 4:10?
5. What is the scope of propitiation/reconciliation?
1. How does the Lake of Fire & Deity compare with our God the Consuming Fire?
2. Does the Lord Jesus Christ have greater concern for remnant pieces of bread & fish, that nothing be lost/apollumi, than the souls for whom He is the at-one-ment?
3. Is God the Saviour of ALL mankind or only a potential Saviour?
4. Does especially mean only in 1 Tim. 4:10?
5. What is the scope of propitiation/reconciliation?
It is not plural " Grooms ", that the scripture uses in analogy , it is the singular " bridegroom " .
Were you not aware there is only one Christ ?
In addition hell is not an analogy in Universalist theology .
It is a place to receive a good beating and be straightened out into submission to marriage from THE BRIDEGROOM Jesus .
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Originally Posted by unfailing presence
Hell is the place of punishment where the universalist theology states the suitor applies the appropriate
amount of pre-martial whippings , lashings , beatings to convince the bride that the bridegrooms charms
still viewed with disdain , detest , are preferable to the continued pre-spousal beatings .
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