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Old 06-28-2021, 06:24 PM
 
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There is no overcoming with this one?
I don't understand your question.

 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:27 PM
 
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There is no overcoming with this one?
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I don't understand your question.
Because it was a statement in the form of a question. Duh!
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:31 PM
 
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....there are too many scriptures that teach us about everlasting punishment ...


Everlasting punishment

Search = "everlasting punishment"


Results = 1 verse found (Matt. 25:46)

The five (5) qualifications for aionios kolasis/ everlasting punishment according to the Master of reconciliation =

1.________________?

2.________________?

3.________________?

4.________________?

5.________________?

I was hungry, and you gave me no meat. #1

I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink. #2

I was a stranger, and you took me not in. #3

I was naked, and you clothed me not. #4

I was sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. #5
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:32 PM
 
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Because it was a statement in the form of a question. Duh!
Ok...in that case I will answer by saying that you will not be overcoming with me because the Lord has given me a spirit and wisdom that none of my adversaries shall be able to gainsay nor resist.

At least, it is my prayer that He would give me such a spirit and wisdom as that.

And I believe that the promise in question is to those who believe in Jesus Christ and also accept the Holy Bible as the word of God.
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:34 PM
 
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Everlasting punishment

Search = "everlasting punishment"


Results = 1 verse found (Matt. 25:46)

The five (5) qualifications for aionios kolasis/ everlasting punishment according to the Master of reconciliation =

1.________________?

2.________________?

3.________________?

4.________________?

5.________________?

I was hungry, and you gave me no meat. #1

I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink. #2

I was a stranger, and you took me not in. #3

I was naked, and you clothed me not. #4

I was sick, and in prison, and you visited me not. #5
How does this nullify the meaning of Matthew 25:46 in your opinion, as saying that those who are on the left hand at this judgment will receive everlasting punishment?
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:50 PM
 
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Oh I see now! Only the ones that God has chosen will have their eyes opened to the Greek codes necessary to understand.

That makes sense! And I thought all along He wrote it all out for us, how silly I have been.
you are a poor sad soul if you think I have said anything like that
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:52 PM
 
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Don't think I want to be someone who is filled with agape love but denies the judgement Jesus preached throughout His ministry.

That's a fake person who refuses to live by every Word that comes out of the mouth of God.

Matt. 4:4

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

That every Word is what you are saying we can't believe from those ignorant, primitive, old men who wrote the scripture.
well the same scriptures that said that also say that the aions end yet you don't believe that. and yet you attack mystic for doing what you do yourself.
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:56 PM
 
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well the same scriptures that said that also say that the aions end yet you don't believe that. and yet you attack mystic for doing what you do yourself.
When you can show me in scripture where eternal life ends just as you claim eternal punishment ends, that is the day I will join the cause with the UR.

Until then..........................
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:57 PM
 
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See 1 Peter 1:17. This is scripture that teaches us to fear our loving Father.



Actually, they do, according to Thayer's Greek Lexicon.

STRONGS NT 166: αἰώνιος
αἰώνιος, -ον, and (in 2 Thessalonians 2:16; Hebrews 9:12; Numbers 25:13; Plato, Tim., p. 38 b. [see below]; Diodorus 1:1; [cf. WHs Appendix, p. 157; Winers Grammar, 69 (67); Buttmann, 26 (23)]) -ος, -α, -ον, (αἰών);
1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: θεός, Romans 16:26 (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Hebrews 9:14.
2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Romans 16:25; πρὸ χρόνων αἰωνίων, 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον, a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e., the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Revelation 14:6.
3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Corinthians 4:18 (opposed to πρόσκαιρος); αἰώνιον αὐτόν, joined to thee forever as a sharer of the same eternal life, Philemon 1:15; βάρος δόξης, 2 Corinthians 4:17; βασιλεία, 2 Peter 1:11; δόξα, 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Peter 5:10; ζωή (see ζωή, 2 b.); κληρονομία, Hebrews 9:15; λύτρωσις, Hebrews 9:12; παράκλησις, 2 Thessalonians 2:16; σκηναί, abodes to be occupied forever, Luke 16:9 (the habitations of the blessed in heaven are referred to, cf. John 14:2 [also, dabo eis tabernacula aeterna, quae praeparaveram illis, 4 Esdras (Fritzsche, 5 Esdr.) 2:11]; similarly Hades is called αἰώνιος τόπος, Tobit 3:6, cf. Ecclesiastes 12:5); σωτηρία, Hebrews 5:9; [so Mark 16 WH, in the (rejected) 'Shorter Conclusion'].
Opposite ideas are: κόλασις, Matthew 25:46; κρίμα, Hebrews 6:2; κρίσις, Mark 3:29 (Rec. [but L T WH Tr text ἁμαρτήματος; in Acta Thom. § 47, p. 227 Tdf., ἔσται σοι τοῦτο εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν καὶ λύτρον αἰωνίων παραπτωμάτων, it has been plausibly conjectured we should read λύτρον, αἰώνιον (cf. Hebrews 9:12)]); ὄλεθρος [Lachmann text ὀλέθριος], 2 Thessalonians 1:9 (4 Macc. 10:15); πῦρ, Matthew 25:41 (4 Macc. 12:12 αἰωνίῳ πυρὶ κ. βασάνοις, αἳ εἰς ὅλον τὸν αἰῶνα οὐκ ἀνήσουσί σε).
[Of the examples of αἰώνιος from Philo (with whom it is less common than ἀΐδιος, which see, of which there are some fifty instances) the following are noteworthy: de mut. nora. § 2; de caritate § 17; κόλασις αἰ. fragment in Mang. 2:667 at the end (Richter 6:229 middle); cf. de praem, et poen. § 12. Other examples are de alleg, leg. iii., § 70; de poster. Caini § 35; quod deus immut. § 30; quis rer. div. her. § 58; de congressu quaer, erud. § 19; de secular sec 38; de somn. ii. § 43; de Josepho § 24; quod omn. prob. book § 4, § 18; de ebrietate § 32; de Abrah. § 10; ζωὴ αἰ.: de secular § 15; Θεός (ὁ) αἰ.: de plantat. § 2, § 18 (twice), § 20 (twice); de mundo § 2. from Josephus: Antiquities 7, 14, 5; 12, 7, 3; 15, 10, 5; b. j. 1, 33, 2; 6, 2, I; κλέος αἰ. Antiquities 4, 6, 5; b. j. 3, 8, 5, μνήμη αἱ.: Antiquities 1, 13, 4; 6, 14, 4; 10, 11, 7; 15, 11, 1; οἶκον μὲν αἰώνιον ἔχεις (of God), Antiquities 8, 4, 2; ἐφυλάχθη ὁ Ἰωάννης δεσμοῖς αἰωνίοις, b. j. 6, 9, 4.
SYNONYMS: ἀΐδιος, αἰώνιος: ἀΐδ. covers the complete philosophic idea — without beginning and without end; also either without beginning or without end; as respects the past, it is applied to what has existed time out of mind. αἰώνιος (from Plato on) gives prominence to the immeasurableness of eternity (while such words as συνεχής continuous, unintermitted, διατελής perpetual, lasting to the end, are not so applicable to an abstract term, like αἰών); αἰώνιος accordingly is especially adapted to supersensuous things, see the N. T. Cf. Tim. Locr. 96 c. Θεὸν δὲ τὸν μὲν αἰώνιον νόος ὁρῆ μόνος etc.; Plato, Tim. 37 d. (and Stallbaum at the passage); 38 b. c.; legg. x., p. 904 a. ἀνώλεθρον δὲ ὄν γενόμενον, ἀλλ’ οὐκ αἰώνιον. Cf. also Plato's διαιώνιος (Tim. 38 b.; 39 e.). Schmidt, chapter 45.]



If aionios means only age-abiding then John 3:16 promises mere age-abiding life.

We are currently in the age of grace; and therefore if someone only has age-abiding life, their life will end when the age ends; as soon as the Great Tribulation starts. That means all believers will go through the GT.

Of course i don't believe that becaaus I believe that John 3:16 promises to us everlasting life; and therefore Matthew 25:46 speaks of everlasting punishment.



Take a careful look at Luke 16:19-31 and I think that you will see that Abraham's bosom is a sub-section of Hades. It is commonly taught (as sound doctrine) that Jesus led the saints out of this sub-section when He rose from the dead (Ephesians 4:8).
what this another rinse repeat and rinse again.

I have already covered all this more then once.

also I see you place mans lexicon over what the scriptures actually say.

The scriptures tell us that aion and its adjective have a beginning and an end, why is it you do not believe the testimony of scripture?
 
Old 06-28-2021, 06:59 PM
 
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That might hold water if the word for punishment meant correction.

I'm pretty certain it means punishment, however.
well I am certain you are wrong
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