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Old 06-28-2021, 08:11 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Take 2

Rev 5:13


Every created thing (παν κτισμα).

Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω, for which see 1 Tim 4:4; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse 3, which is from all created life

No created thing is left out.

This universal chorus of praise to Christ- concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption.

If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

Pliny says "sing a song to Christ as to God. He is here worshipped by the universe" -N.T. Robertson

All = pas

Pas is not tis !

 
Old 06-28-2021, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Rose, in case you are not familiar with the Old Testament of scripture, the hell that is cast into the lake of fire is Sheol, the place where the spiritual dead who died without Christ are now being held. In the Old Testament it is called Sheol/Hell, in the New Testament Greek it is called Hades/Hell, it's the same place.

There will be no more need for that place after the final judgement, it is thrown into the final resting place for those without Christ, the lake of fire.
It's called the Grave, but you merely ignored responding to the question posed by Pneuma.
 
Old 06-28-2021, 08:23 PM
 
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Take 2

Rev 5:13


Every created thing (παν κτισμα).

Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω, for which see 1 Tim 4:4; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse 3, which is from all created life

No created thing is left out.

This universal chorus of praise to Christ- concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption.

If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

Pliny says "sing a song to Christ as to God. He is here worshipped by the universe" -N.T. Robertson

All = pas

Pas is not tis !
That's not true, Rose. There will be many left out!

Heb. 3:10-11

"Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
 
Old 06-28-2021, 08:38 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Who is N.T Robertson?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archib...omas_Robertson

The earnest expectation of creation (η αποκαραδοκια της κτισεως). This substantive has so far been found nowhere save here and Philippians 1:20, though the verb αποκαραδοκεω is common in Polybius and Plutarch. Milligan (Vocabulary) thinks that Paul may have made the substantive from the verb. It is a double compound (απο, off from, καρα, head, δοκεω, Ionic verb, to watch), hence to watch eagerly with outstretched head.

Waiteth for (απεκδεχετα). See on 1 Corinthians 1:7; Galatians 5:5 for this rare word (possibly formed by Paul, Milligan). "To wait it out" (Thayer).

The revealing of the sons of God (την αποκαλυψιν των υιων του θεου). Cf. 1 John 3:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Colossians 3:4. This mystical sympathy of physical nature with the work of grace is beyond the comprehension of most of us. But who can disprove it? -N.T. Word Pictures

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Old 06-28-2021, 09:39 PM
 
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Who is N.T Robertson?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archib...omas_Robertson

The earnest expectation of creation (η αποκαραδοκια της κτισεως). This substantive has so far been found nowhere save here and Philippians 1:20, though the verb αποκαραδοκεω is common in Polybius and Plutarch. Milligan (Vocabulary) thinks that Paul may have made the substantive from the verb. It is a double compound (απο, off from, καρα, head, δοκεω, Ionic verb, to watch), hence to watch eagerly with outstretched head.

Waiteth for (απεκδεχετα). See on 1 Corinthians 1:7; Galatians 5:5 for this rare word (possibly formed by Paul, Milligan). "To wait it out" (Thayer).

The revealing of the sons of God (την αποκαλυψιν των υιων του θεου). Cf. 1 John 3:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Colossians 3:4. This mystical sympathy of physical nature with the work of grace is beyond the comprehension of most of us. But who can disprove it? -N.T. Word Pictures
No one can disprove what you have not shown! Do you have a point to this, Rose?

Looks like an entanglement of verbs and nonsense!
 
Old 06-28-2021, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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That's not true, Rose. There will be many left out!

Heb. 3:10-11

"Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."
Unbelief is equated with that of having an "evil" heart? Talk about utter nonsense and brainwashing.
Which has turned Christianity into nothing more than an idol of the heart to be praised or worshiped.
 
Old 06-28-2021, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Didn't see this post until pneuma responded to it.

You're not playing the Devil's advocate. You are doing what Christ expects you to do, searching the scriptures to prove them. A workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

"Without" is referring to eternal hell. The idea is, the person is not merely "outside" the New Jerusalem, they are confined to eternal Hell, and confined there forever.

Remember what Paul said in 1 Cor. 6:9-11,

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

Now compare that to Rev. 22:14-15,

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

"For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

See what I mean, they will not be in New Jerusalem.
LMAO charlie the only ones without the gate are the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

They are the ones that have the right to the tree of life and can enter within the gates and drink of the water of life.
 
Old 06-28-2021, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Rose, in case you are not familiar with the Old Testament of scripture, the hell that is cast into the lake of fire is Sheol, the place where the spiritual dead who died without Christ are now being held. In the Old Testament it is called Sheol/Hell, in the New Testament Greek it is called Hades/Hell, it's the same place.

There will be no more need for that place after the final judgement, it is thrown into the final resting place for those without Christ, the lake of fire.
well at least you got the two names correct which is the only thing you got correct in this post.
 
Old 06-28-2021, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It's called the Grave, but you merely ignored responding to the question posed by Pneuma.
that's ok jer everyone by now knows the game charlie plays and can tell by now he is not very good at his own game.
 
Old 06-29-2021, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Who is N.T Robertson?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archib...omas_Robertson

The earnest expectation of creation (η αποκαραδοκια της κτισεως). This substantive has so far been found nowhere save here and Philippians 1:20, though the verb αποκαραδοκεω is common in Polybius and Plutarch. Milligan (Vocabulary) thinks that Paul may have made the substantive from the verb. It is a double compound (απο, off from, καρα, head, δοκεω, Ionic verb, to watch), hence to watch eagerly with outstretched head.

Waiteth for (απεκδεχετα). See on 1 Corinthians 1:7; Galatians 5:5 for this rare word (possibly formed by Paul, Milligan). "To wait it out" (Thayer).

The revealing of the sons of God (την αποκαλυψιν των υιων του θεου). Cf. 1 John 3:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Colossians 3:4. This mystical sympathy of physical nature with the work of grace is beyond the comprehension of most of us. But who can disprove it? -N.T. Word Pictures
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No one can disprove what you have not shown! Do you have a point to this, Rose?

Looks like an entanglement of verbs and nonsense!
yup you have a B/A alright
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