Universalism - all aspects - pro and con (crucify, lordship, punishment)

[wellsmaine]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

You just don't get it. They are BOTH INDETERMINATE for an obvious reason. God decides how long anything lasts, period, NOT you and your "tickled ears."

1 Timothy 6:16

[God] Who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

You just don't get it. They are BOTH INDETERMINATE for an obvious reason. God decides how long anything lasts, period, NOT you and your "tickled ears."

aoinian is obviously speaking of something that lasts for the duration of an eon.

But I know that you want to take liberties as to your definitions of certain Greek words in order to scratch your itching ears.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by wellsmaine

1 Timothy 6:16

[God] Who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power.

Those who are "in Christ" also have immortality.

[wellsmaine]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

Those who are "in Christ" also have immortality.

How then are the damned tormented forever?

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by wellsmaine

How then are the damned tormented forever?

They do not have everlasting life but everlasting death (eternal separation from God).

[wellsmaine]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

They do not have everlasting life but everlasting death (eternal separation from God).

First, scripture says God alone has immortality.

Then you say those in Christ also have immortality.

Are then the damned also in Christ? Since the damned would need immortality in order to suffer eternal conscious torment?

Finally, how can you contradict scripture by saying anyone but God alone has immortality?

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by wellsmaine

First, scripture says God alone has immortality.

Then you say those in Christ also have immortality.

Are then the damned also in Christ? Since the damned would need immortality in order to suffer eternal conscious torment?

They are not immortal (having eternal life) but will experience eternal death (separation from God and all that is good).

[wellsmaine]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

They are not immortal (having eternal life) but will experience eternal death (separation from God and all that is good).

Explain the difference between immortality and eternal life? Are they not synonymous?

[justbyfaith]

Yes, they are synonymous.

Those who experience everlasting torments experience eternal death (conscious eternal separation from God)

[wellsmaine]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

Yes, they are synonymous.

Those who experience everlasting torments experience eternal death (conscious eternal separation from God)

What happens when death is destroyed? How then is death eternal? (1 Corinthians 15:26) The last enemy to be destroyed is death.