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Old 07-16-2021, 10:59 AM
 
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Jimmie if it bothers you so much, how much more torment do you think Jesus would be in for the one He could not save? if eternal torments is true it makes Jesus suffer loss for all eternity.
Not only that, but Jesus has to re-live the moment of sending someone to hell over and over and over and over...must be a bummer if you ask me. Imagine having your heart broken on a continual basis? Think He'd take a break from from the pain or I guess His hands are tied...that's what the religious say. Poor Jesus, went to the cross just for us, He didn't need saving, then took a beating like no other person ever has and then literally goes to hell and back just to save 10 Percent and then the constant damning for the other 90 percent?

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Old 07-16-2021, 11:04 AM
 
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Nonsense! What you speak of is sanctification of the believer. It has nothing to do with UR.
no Jimmie He came to take away the sin the the world, not just the sin of the believer.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 11:07 AM
 
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Not only that, but Jesus has to re-live the moment of sending someone to hell over and over and over and over...must be a bummer if you ask me. Think He'd take a break from time to time from the pain or I guess His hands are tied the religious say. Poor Jesus, went to the cross just for us, He didn't need saving, then took a beating like no other person ever has and then literally goes to hell and back just to save 10 Percent and then the constant damning for the other 90 percent?
I really don't think they think through the implications of what they believe.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 11:35 AM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Facts

God is supreme in everything.

His will is set safe and secure within Himself.

The created does not displace the Will of the Creator.

He will reconcile all within the heavens, earth & underworld.

Nothing escapes His loving grace: absolutely NOTHING!

Ta panta = the all

The little ta joins panta: not pas, but ta panta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sVzsNrhpbQ

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Old 07-16-2021, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Jimmie if it bothers you so much, how much more torment do you think Jesus would be in for the one He could not save? if eternal torments is true it makes Jesus suffer loss for all eternity.
It did bother Jesus. John 11:35. However, there is no sorrow in Heaven.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 12:12 PM
 
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no Jimmie He came to take away the sin the the world, not just the sin of the believer.
That’s salvation. Sanctification begins when one believes.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 12:20 PM
 
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It did bother Jesus. John 11:35. However, there is no sorrow in Heaven.
so everyone just forget all about their loved ones, that ain't heaven Jimmie that's hell
 
Old 07-16-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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no Jimmie He came to take away the sin the the world, not just the sin of the believer.
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That’s salvation. Sanctification begins when one believes.
Jimmie it is through sanctification that the sin of the world is taken away and that taking away of sin is salvation and it is the salvation of the world. the whole world will be purified Jimmie.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 12:32 PM
 
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I really don't think they think through the implications of what they believe.
If they cared they would . I did, I thought about it a lot.
 
Old 07-16-2021, 12:39 PM
 
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That’s salvation. Sanctification begins when one believes.
Justification begins when one believes. Sanctification is a process of becoming one with the Justifier, in short "being made the righteousness of God in Him."

Many made sinners = many made righteous

polus = polus = polus = polus
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