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That's because your timeframe isn't the same as God's, and because you neglected to factor in all of the extenuating circumstances that only God knows.
Yep, and that has always been the case, and always will be to a certain extent
That is why I do not jump on board with the condensing that happens with the traditional interpretation that gets labelled UR (Universal reconciliation) - and it’s the same problem I have with ET (eternal torment)
they do not keep a very necessary separation between the unlimited and the limited, the divine and the profane.
Yep, and that has always been the case, and always will be to a certain extent
That is why I do not jump on board with the condensing that happens with the traditional interpretation that gets labelled UR (Universal reconciliation) - and it’s the same problem I have with ET (eternal torment)
they do not keep a very necessary separation between the unlimited and the limited, the divine and the profane.
I cannot believe how closely our beliefs correspond at times! That's not to suggest that they are identical by any means, but we do seem to be on pretty much the same wave length most of the time.
I cannot believe how closely our beliefs correspond at times! That's not to suggest that they are identical by any means, but we do seem to be on pretty much the same wave length most of the time.
I think that is because we have dedicated the same amount of energy in trying to get a much broader understanding, and it is probably from reading similar things .... a big thing for me is not trying to force or hold on to any limited, denominational stand point for the sake of it, I like to see how it connects to other beliefs
We both are natural readers, and thinkers to start with as well
So I’m not against any denomination, organisation as such, but recognise that they all have their own administration, part, limitations
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1Co 7:17**But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
1Co 7:18**Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19**Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20**Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
1Co 7:21**Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
1Co 7:22**For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
1Co 7:23**Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
1Co 7:24**Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
If you mean Universalism, the dictionary definition is- "a theological doctrine that all human beings will eventually be saved"
But many humans reject Jesus, and as he said that only he is the way to God, I can't see them being saved at all.
Jesus said- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
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That's because your timeframe isn't the same as God's, and because you neglected to factor in all of the extenuating circumstances that only God knows.
Are you saying that every human being is going to be saved, even if they reject Jesus and even if they're evil thieves and murderers and terrorists etc?
Are you saying that every human being is going to be saved, even if they reject Jesus and even if they're evil thieves and murderers and terrorists etc?
Everyone is saved but the question is saved for what. There are negative consequences for failure to develop properly and they will not be pleasant. However, they will not be eternal. We will reap exactly what we sow and have not repented.
Are you saying that every human being is going to be saved, even if they reject Jesus and even if they're evil thieves and murderers and terrorists etc?
I'm saying that this is what God wants and that He will do everything possible -- with the exception of exerting force and taking away our freedom of choice -- to make that happen. I believe He genuinely loves all of us enough that He doesn't want to lose any of us. I'm not saying that I believe that we are all guaranteed eternal life in His presence, but I don't think He's going to be writing any of us off until He's given us every opportunity to change for the better. Given enough time, I believe most will make the right decision.
I'm saying that this is what God wants and that He will do everything possible -- with the exception of exerting force and taking away our freedom of choice -- to make that happen. I believe He genuinely loves all of us enough that He doesn't want to lose any of us. I'm not saying that I believe that we are all guaranteed eternal life in His presence, but I don't think He's going to be writing any of us off until He's given us every opportunity to change for the better. Given enough time, I believe most will make the right decision.
Katz: none of us began this journey by our decision. The end of our journey, as it was in the beginning, is wholly within the mighty purpose of our glorious Father.
"I will draw all mankind unto Me" =
Kampto =
Draw by His power.
Drag off by His power.
Impel by His power.
Everything & everyone.
metaschēmatizō =
The power of our Lord enables Him to bring everything under His control by way of this wonderful verb.
"But there's far more to life for us. We're citizens of high heaven! We're waiting the arrival of the Savior, the Master, Jesus Christ, who will transform our earthy bodies into glorious bodies like his own. He'll make us beautiful and whole with the same powerful skill by which he is putting everything as it should be, under and around him." ~MSG
Everything & everyone brought into conformity within Him!
Yep, and that has always been the case, and always will be to a certain extent
That is why I do not jump on board with the condensing that happens with the traditional interpretation that gets labelled UR (Universal reconciliation) - and it’s the same problem I have with ET (eternal torment)
they do not keep a very necessary separation between the unlimited and the limited, the divine and the profane
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
I cannot believe how closely our beliefs correspond at times! That's not to suggest that they are identical by any means, but we do seem to be on pretty much the same wave length most of the time.
That sounds a lot like the developing human brain, how it is actually the paring down of connections that forms the real us. Many want to throw off that instruction. We need things. God says it takes wisdom. It's tough when they have led entire lives without. The waiting is hard. And it is not all waiting for wisdom. So much of the waiting is due to the doctrines of men. They come at you like that one family member with that one glass when you are doing the dishes by hand. You've already done those light things. You are onto the pans now. Why bring me that glass when the water is so greasy now? You can't stop them. It slips into the water. They give you a sheepish smile. You protest, but you let them. They are family, even if they don't always treat you like you are. You realize you meet that attitude they have toward you with love toward them. It's the only way they will come around. Plus, that's just who you are, now that the Spirit has gotten you doing the dishes, so to speak.
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If you mean Universalism, the dictionary definition is- "a theological doctrine that all human beings will eventually be saved"
But many humans reject Jesus, and as he said that only he is the way to God, I can't see them being saved at all.
Jesus said- "Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Luke 10:16)
all humanity will be saved, according to Jesus it is finished.
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