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Old 09-02-2022, 12:57 PM
 
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Fortunately, what Jesus accomplished applies to ALL people which is why it is "Good tidings of great joy to all people." However, gaining the full benefit in your life from knowledge of it IS dependent on hearing about Him and believing Him enough to follow His instructions to love God and each other every day and repent when you fail.
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Old 09-03-2022, 12:29 AM
 
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Fortunately, what Jesus accomplished applies to ALL people which is why it is "Good tidings of great joy to all people." However, gaining the full benefit in your life from knowledge of it IS dependent on hearing about Him and believing Him enough to follow His instructions to love God and each other every day and repent when you fail.
I agree with you on this point. Good to hear you quoting from the Bible.
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Old 09-03-2022, 03:37 AM
 
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“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (KJV 1900)

So none appointed to salvation in Christ are ever lost or skipped over.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44 (KJV 1900)

All of the lost were assigned to remain apart from Christ.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:57 AM
 
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“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (KJV 1900)

So none appointed to salvation in Christ are ever lost or skipped over.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44 (KJV 1900)

All of the lost were assigned to remain apart from Christ.
Not apart from their rejection of the gospel message about Christ. God doesn't reject anyone who responds positively to the gospel. God doesn't go ''eeny meeny mini mo, sorry buddy but I choose to send you to hell, but this other guy, I think I'll save him and then give him faith that he is saved.'' Calvinism is a despicable theology. And so is your obsession with constantly claiming that he does.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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Not apart from their rejection of the gospel message about Christ. God doesn't reject anyone who responds positively to the gospel. God doesn't go ''eeny meeny mini mo, sorry buddy but I choose to send you to hell, but this other guy, I think I'll save him and then give him faith that he is saved.'' Calvinism is a despicable theology. And so is your obsession with constantly claiming that he does.
Only the born-again respond and none shall be lost. The others respond to their Christ idol and are never saved.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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only the born-again respond and none shall be lost. The others respond to their christ idol and are never saved.
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Hey. Maybe God will decide to send you to hell after all and you will lose your faith so that you only thought you were saved. You'd better dress appropriately. Hell just may have a dress code.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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There is a fixed number marked out for salvation and a fixed number marked out for damnation. Nothing can change that.
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Old 09-03-2022, 10:50 AM
 
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“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” John 6:37 (KJV 1900)

So none appointed to salvation in Christ are ever lost or skipped over.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44 (KJV 1900)

All of the lost were assigned to remain apart from Christ.
Yep, appointed to disobey the word, the Gospel 1 Pet 2:8


8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Rom 10:16

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

2 Thess 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Pet 4:17

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

This Gospel disobedience were they appointed to ! So they were never appointed to Salvation !
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Old 09-03-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Old 09-03-2022, 12:53 PM
 
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There is a fixed number marked out for salvation and a fixed number marked out for damnation. Nothing can change that.
Then why bother wasting electrons posting here? It's all over and decided.
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