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Old 07-04-2021, 12:56 PM
 
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So are you suggesting that authority has been stripped away from Jesus??

"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."(Mat 28:18)

Are you suggesting Jesus is not God since authority had to be given to him? How can any give God authority????? They cannot. So one must ask themselves--Why does Jesus have to give the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself?1Corinthians 15:24-28)-- because Jesus is not God, he is the true living Gods son.
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Old 07-04-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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How can you prove it was 1914?

1 Thess 5:21 Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.


Rev 6 are the events of 1914 and after--It states--and peace was taken from the earth= world war. ww1 to be precise. After ww1( other 3 riders) millions upon millions died all over the earth from things described of the other 3 riders.
The white horse= righteous war-the war in heaven.
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:55 PM
 
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Rev 6 are the events of 1914 and after--It states--and peace was taken from the earth= world war. ww1 to be precise. After ww1( other 3 riders) millions upon millions died all over the earth from things described of the other 3 riders.
The white horse= righteous war-the war in heaven.
Yes, Jesus as the rider of the white horse as found at both Revelation 19:11 and Rev. 6:1-2.
The 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of wickedness - Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15.
The upright will remain - Proverbs 2:21-22; Psalm 37:9-11; Matthew 25:31-33,37.
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Old 07-04-2021, 05:10 PM
 
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Nothing began in 1914 (other than the beginning of WWI). The Jehovah's Witnesses had predicted that Jesus was returning then to rule the earth. Since that didn't happen, they have changed the prophecy several times. They used to say the prophecy really meant that those alive in 1914 would live to see Jesus return, but now that the youngest of those people are 107 years old, they are changing it again.
Yes, Jesus is returning to rule the Earth but for now Jesus governs over the Christian congregation which is a 'spiritual nation' without any borders or boundaries and Not located on any map - 1st Peter 2:9,5
Wrong calculations does Not make the Bible was wrong just the calculations.
The ' final phase' of Matthew 24:14 is Now being done on a grand international scale as never before in history.
This means we are now nearing the ' final signal ' of 1st Thess. 5:2-3.
When the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14,9.

Remember: Proverbs 4:18 because spiritual light is gradual and grows brighter and brighter with the passing of time.
So, don't be fooled when things might seem rosy because walking down the primrose path would Not now be a good idea.
- www.jw.org
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Old 07-04-2021, 07:42 PM
 
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Yes, Jesus is returning to rule the Earth but for now Jesus governs over the Christian congregation which is a 'spiritual nation' without any borders or boundaries and Not located on any map - 1st Peter 2:9,5
Wrong calculations does Not make the Bible was wrong just the calculations.
The ' final phase' of Matthew 24:14 is Now being done on a grand international scale as never before in history.
This means we are now nearing the ' final signal ' of 1st Thess. 5:2-3.
When the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..." as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14,9.

Remember: Proverbs 4:18 because spiritual light is gradual and grows brighter and brighter with the passing of time.
So, don't be fooled when things might seem rosy because walking down the primrose path would Not now be a good idea.
- www.jw.org
You need to stop advertising for your Organization.
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Old 07-05-2021, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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John was not in the Kingdom sir, verse 1. The very verse you pointed out states very clearly he was on the Isle of Patmos
You didn't read the verse I pointed out? He said is was partaking in the tribulation and he was in the kingdom, the greek words are there to prove it. You are committing the logical fallacy of suppressing evidence, that is being irrational, not facing up to the truth of the matter. Look at ALL the evidence, not cherry picking around and proof texting. Other N.T. passages affirm this, that the kingdom was already here.
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Old 07-05-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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Are you suggesting Jesus is not God since authority had to be given to him? How can any give God authority????? They cannot. So one must ask themselves--Why does Jesus have to give the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself?1Corinthians 15:24-28)-- because Jesus is not God, he is the true living Gods son.
Try to keep up with the program, Kjw47 - although your jw origination's collective consciousness was only hatched barely 100 years ago, be assured Jesus has already been in possession of 'all authority over heaven and earth' for well over 2000 years - you have A LOT to catch-up on!
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Old 07-06-2021, 05:34 AM
 
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You didn't read the verse I pointed out? He said is was partaking in the tribulation and he was in the kingdom, the greek words are there to prove it. You are committing the logical fallacy of suppressing evidence, that is being irrational, not facing up to the truth of the matter. Look at ALL the evidence, not cherry picking around and proof texting. Other N.T. passages affirm this, that the kingdom was already here.

The Bible does not contradict itself sir, as it stated it was a vision. The Kingdom wasn't even established yet anyway, that was yet futuristic like verse 1 stated.
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Old 07-06-2021, 11:21 AM
 
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The Bible does not contradict itself sir, as it stated it was a vision. The Kingdom wasn't even established yet anyway, that was yet futuristic like verse 1 stated.
The kingdom is the church that Christ established on the first Pentecost after His resurrection. Read the verse again, he said he was IN the kingdom. Can't be in something that doesn't exist. The vision he had was not every single word in the book, some was literal, some was the apocryphal vision writings.

Matt 28:18 Jesus said ALL AUTHORITY is His, that is Christ taking up the rule over His kingdom. There are plenty more passages that clarify this. Nothing changes this fact.
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Old 07-06-2021, 06:19 PM
 
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Try to keep up with the program, Kjw47 - although your jw origination's collective consciousness was only hatched barely 100 years ago, be assured Jesus has already been in possession of 'all authority over heaven and earth' for well over 2000 years - you have A LOT to catch-up on!

Yes, all the errors brought in centuries before had to be corrected. Gods truth had to return here in these last days( Daniel 12:4)
The religion that came out of Rome messed it all up. No branch that broke off of her has corrected the errors.
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