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There is one who is above all and in all, but the all are very divided and scattered and all have sinned/erred according to the natural inclination to dominate and take over another peoples region, goods, “wives” etc not keeping to their own “estate”
Jer 8:9**The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Jer 8:10**Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
Jer 8:11**For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
Jer 8:12**Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Rom 1:19**Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20**For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21**Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22**Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23**And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24**Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25**Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
And he shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore. (Isaiah 2:4)
And he shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
It is what I look forward to
H855***(Strong)
אֵת
'êth
ayth
Of uncertain derivation; a hoe or other digging implement: - coulter, plowshare.
H4211***(Strong)
מַזְמֵרָה
mazmêrâh
maz-may-raw'
From H2168; a pruning knife: - pruning-hook.
H2168***(Strong)
זָמַר
zâmar
zaw-mar'
A primitive root (compare H2167, H5568, H6785); to trim (a vine): - prune.
There is one who is above all and in all, but the all are very divided and scattered and all have sinned/erred according to the natural inclination to dominate and take over another peoples region, goods, “wives” etc not keeping to their own “estate”
Jer 8:9**The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
Jer 8:10**Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
Jer 8:11**For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
Jer 8:12**Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Rom 1:19**Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20**For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21**Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22**Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23**And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24**Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25**Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
And he shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
But for those who preceded the birth of Jesus, there was no opportunity for them to be "born again" while alive by belief in Him as you assert. The "born again" happened after their physical death, as it will for all of us.
Not even. Physical death ends the journey.
Heaven and hell are in the present. Those in hell don’t know it. Sinners who reject the word of God and refuse to serve Him are in hell. They just don’t know it.
“The heavens and the earth shall pass away but my words shall never pass.”
The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Keep the word of the Lord and you will live in His presence.
Not even. Physical death ends the journey.
Heaven and hell are in the present. Those in hell don’t know it. Sinners who reject the word of God and refuse to serve Him are in hell. They just don’t know it.
“The heavens and the earth shall pass away but my words shall never pass.”
The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Keep the word of the Lord and you will live in His presence.
Yes, agree, even while dead Jesus was in hell (Acts 2:27) he did Not know it.
Jesus did Not know it because the dead know nothing, nothing but sleep -> John 11:11-14; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
The literal Heavens and Earth will never pass away because Earth abides forever -> Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalm 104:5
So, Jesus' words can be understood as a hyperbole, meaning that even if the impossible could happened, Jesus words would still be fulfilled - Matthew 5:18; Luke 16:17
Also, in Scripture we have the ' figurative Heavens and Earth ' such as mentioned in 2nd Peter 3 in Noah's day.
The literal heavens did Not pass away but the corrupted governing heavens came to an end as did wicked earthly society.
Those who 'keep His word' found alive on Earth at the soon coming Glory Time of separation to take place on Earth don't need a future resurrection as the dead do (Acts 24:15) because the figurative 'sheep' are alive at Jesus' Glory Time ( Matthew 25:31-33,37) and they can remain alive and be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' thousand year reign over Earth.
Turning to wickedness ' after ' the dead are resurrected is what finally ends the journey.
Ends the journey at that time because the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
Sinner Satan who is wicked will also be destroyed, destroyed by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
Yes, agree, even while dead Jesus was in hell (Acts 2:27) he did Not know it.
Jesus did Not know it because the dead know nothing, nothing but sleep -> John 11:11-14; Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
The literal Heavens and Earth will never pass away because Earth abides forever -> Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalm 104:5
So, Jesus' words can be understood as a hyperbole, meaning that even if the impossible could happened, Jesus words would still be fulfilled - Matthew 5:18; Luke 16:17
Also, in Scripture we have the ' figurative Heavens and Earth ' such as mentioned in 2nd Peter 3 in Noah's day.
The literal heavens did Not pass away but the corrupted governing heavens came to an end as did wicked earthly society.
Those who 'keep His word' found alive on Earth at the soon coming Glory Time of separation to take place on Earth don't need a future resurrection as the dead do (Acts 24:15) because the figurative 'sheep' are alive at Jesus' Glory Time ( Matthew 25:31-33,37) and they can remain alive and be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' thousand year reign over Earth.
Turning to wickedness ' after ' the dead are resurrected is what finally ends the journey.
Ends the journey at that time because the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
Sinner Satan who is wicked will also be destroyed, destroyed by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
You live in a fanciful world of make believe, as do most religions.
Do you believe all the verses attributed to Jesus are correct?
The main issue with hearsay evidence is that the statement's reliability cannot be proved or disproved through cross-examination because the person they overheard is not present. Therefore, it is not proof or actually evidence to the truth of what a person may have asserted. And I don't believe anyone can say so with 100% certainty, when it comes to hearsay. Now, if he had written something himself, that would be a documented statement. Especially, if he put his mark (signature) on it. Many of the author's of the Scriptures or what was written are also disputable.
Do you believe all the verses attributed to Jesus are correct?
The main issue with hearsay evidence is that the statement's reliability cannot be proved or disproved through cross-examination because the person they overheard is not present. Therefore, it is not proof or actually evidence to the truth of what a person may have asserted. And I don't believe anyone can say so with 100% certainty, when it comes to hearsay. Now, if he had written something himself, that would be a documented statement. Especially, if he put his mark (signature) on it. Many of the author's of the Scriptures or what was written are also disputable.
There is a misunderstanding about what the Scriptures are in my opinion- there is a linking of the old and new testaments together and they have a lot of prophetic meaning and are to be understood in a much higher way than strictly literal, individual, physical, historical narratives about any individual
The writers were recording, blending, translating, interpreting what was suitable to be kept and its in a highly symbolic form
The writings need to be understood in relation to what was being foretold then, at that time, and the things that have happened over the past 2000 years
Of the available literature then only certain books were selected to be kept - the same thing was done in relation to the Hebrew Scriptures, there has been a development and refinement, both of written things which hold the plan, and the subsequent playing out of those written things in their generation, time, of the “creation”
There is a misunderstanding about what the Scriptures are in my opinion- there is a linking of the old and new testaments together and they have a lot of prophetic meaning and are to be understood in a much higher way than strictly literal, individual, physical, historical narratives about any individual
The writers were recording, blending, translating, interpreting what was suitable to be kept and its in a highly symbolic form
The writings need to be understood in relation to what was being foretold then, at that time, and the things that have happened over the past 2000 years
Of the available literature then only certain books were selected to be kept - the same thing was done in relation to the Hebrew Scriptures, there has been a development and refinement, both of written things which hold the plan, and the subsequent playing out of those written things in their generation, time, of the “creation”
When Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " it is written..." he was referring back to the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus could logically reason on the OT because of the internal cross-reference harmony among the Bible writers.
To me, the linking of the old and new can also be literal for us now. For example: 1st Thessalonians 5:2-3
The coming uttered words of "Peace and Security...." by 'they' (the powers in charge) is like the beacon in a lighthouse.
A bright light to help a ship enter a safe harbor, however, the unscrupulous in there draw the ship off course.
So, we need to know the 'source ' in the lighthouse because their words of " Peace and Safety..." are to mislead us.
That ' rosy sounding ' saying will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9.
Revelation 19:14-15 thus now links to the old Isaiah 11:3-4 that the 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the Earth of the wicked.
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