Some verses in the Bible can't be true (testament, Catholics, Apostle Paul)

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by truth_teller

there are two Prophets were also kings
David and Solomon

the correct name for David is Dawud

but his name was changed in the translation into English
as many names were changed such as Jesus

David was anointed King of Israel. His son, whom he passed the crown to, was Solomon. And yes, God did give prophecies through them.

And we spell David's name "David" because that's how it was pronounced in Hebrew, "Da-wid". The "w" has a "v" sound.

Now, why do you mention these things? You think we don't know that, or that it can't be true, as you suggest in your title?

[truth_teller]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Completely untrue. What's your source for such a claim? There are manuscripts demonstrating otherwise.

the verse in ESV, NIV, NASB, CSB, NLT
not the same as in KJV

1 John 5:7
ESV
For there are three that testify:

NIV
For there are three that testify:

NASB
For there are three that testify:

CSB
For there are three that testify:

NLT
So we have these three witnesses —

KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

So again, you think Adam was Eve's "Father"? That's a bizarre idea. So you think Eve procreated with her father?

no i do not think Adam was Eve's "Father"

what i ment is that Eve was created from a man and without a woman
like Jesus was created from a woman without a man

but Adam was created without a man and without a woman

and we were creted from from a man and a woman

and it is all by Allah

[truth_teller]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

The sin of Adam. They inherited the sin of Adam. Nevermind the fact that the Amalekites were evil and did evil in the eyes of God.

But if you'd like to talk about genocide, I can find some quotes from the Quran of Muslims killing Jews for no reason other than they are Jewish.

Originally Posted by DRob4JC

Well - sin is in them, and it becomes evident as all babies become able to walk and talk and form thoughts.

If they were sinless, God would not have put babies under the authority of parents.

that means this verse is not true

Ezekiel 18:20 ESV

The soul who sins shall die.
The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father,
nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself,
and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

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what sin or crime did the ox
and sheep,
camel
and donkey commit.

1 Samuel 15:3 ESV

Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have.
Do not spare them,
but kill both man and woman,
child and infant,
ox and sheep, camel and donkey.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by truth_teller

the verse in ESV, NIV, NASB, CSB, NLT
not the same as in KJV

1 John 5:7
ESV
For there are three that testify:

NIV
For there are three that testify:

NASB
For there are three that testify:

CSB
For there are three that testify:

NLT
So we have these three witnesses —

KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

Do you understand how translation works?

If you translate something from Arabic to English, and someone else translates the same thing, there is a good chance you might not use the exact same words.

That's all this is. It's different translators using different words. It does not change the meaning of the words.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by truth_teller

that means this verse is not true

Ezekiel 18:20 ESV

The soul who sins shall die.
The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father,
nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself,
and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

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Do you realize the context of Ezekiel 18:20? That was thousands of years after Adam and Eve. He was speaking to the Jewish people living in Babylon in exile. He was giving a message of hope -- that God would bring them back to the promised land.

This has nothing to do with the original sin of Adam.

what sin or crime did the ox
and sheep,
camel
and donkey commit.


1 Samuel 15:3 ESV

Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have.
Do not spare them,
but kill both man and woman,
child and infant,
ox and sheep, camel and donkey.

The same crime that the cow committed from which I had a steak last night. It's an animal. It had to die so I could eat a steak.



Why do you continue to dishonor your prophet? You continue to question Scripture and show that you do not understand it.

[truth_teller]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Do you understand how translation works?

If you translate something from Arabic to English, and someone else translates the same thing, there is a good chance you might not use the exact same words.

That's all this is. It's different translators using different words. It does not change the meaning of the words.

CSB
For there are three that testify:

NLT
So we have these three witnesses —

the above translations have different words. but It does not change the meaning of the words.
yes you are correct they both translated the same verse.

but the below verse no way was traslated from the same verse
at least for someone who make his conscience the judge

KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

[truth_teller]

it is not true that the God has foolishness
it is not true that the God has weakness

and it is not polite to say such things about the God

is this verse from the God
or the opinion of some one

1 Corinthians 1:25 ESV

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men,
and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by truth_teller

CSB
For there are three that testify:

NLT
So we have these three witnesses —

the above translations have different words. but It does not change the meaning of the words.
yes you are correct they both translated the same verse.

but the below verse no way was traslated from the same verse
at least for someone who make his conscience the judge

KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

Again. You realize it's a translation, right? The KJV is only a translation.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by truth_teller

it is not true that the God has foolishness
it is not true that the God has weakness

and it is not polite to say such things about the God

is this verse from the God
or the opinion of some one

1 Corinthians 1:25 ESV

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men,
and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Do you know what a figure of speech is? This is called a figure of speech. No one is suggesting that God is weak, or foolish.

[truth_teller]

killing and burning innocent sons and daughters is not true verse

Joshua 7:25 NLT

Then Joshua said to Achan, 'Why have you brought trouble on us?
The Lord will now bring trouble on you.'
And all the Israelites stoned Achan
and his family and burned their bodies.