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Would you mind clarifying that? Are you saying that even the mention of alcohol can cause a person to stumble? So it shouldn't even be discussed? hence the tension of the topic? Or am I totally confused?
Sure. No, not the mention.
Let's say you know a brother/sister in Christ used to be an alcoholic and it is a temptation for them to be around it, you invite them over and drink alcohol in front of them or even offer them some, then that could cause them to stumble/fall into that temptation.
I've always thought that there must have been a good reason why Jesus and his disciples were invited to the wedding. I believe they were fun to have around.
And let's face it, 20-30 GALLONS OF WINE!
Those guys were feeling no pain
Let's say you know a brother/sister in Christ used to be an alcoholic and it is a temptation for them to be around it, you invite them over and drink alcohol in front of them or even offer them some, then that could cause them to stumble/fall into that temptation.
I agree, that is definitely a stumbling block.. Not to mention very poor behavior..
Let's say you know a brother/sister in Christ used to be an alcoholic and it is a temptation for them to be around it, you invite them over and drink alcohol in front of them or even offer them some, then that could cause them to stumble/fall into that temptation.
Oh, well, I think that is just common courtesy/respect for others... I think that should be the case regardless...I have friends and family who have quit drinking and we don't serve it to or around them...
Well...if it was only grape juice, as some believe, then when we are looking to ordain new deacons, elders, bishops, etc....those who drink much juice should be automatically skipped over from the selection process. And you grandmothers and older ladies: for crying out loud...AVOID juice...at all cost!
1 Timothy 3 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine...
8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine
Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine
There is nothing wrong with being a tee-totaler. On the other hand, nothing wrong with having a glass of wine...or juice...either. (but not too excess)
So, back to OP question: was it wine, or juice?
It was wine. A church can insist it was juice all they want, but that's not what I'm seeing from reading the Bible...
Well...if it was only grape juice, as some believe, then when we are looking to ordain new deacons, elders, bishops, etc....those who drink much juice should be automatically skipped over from the selection process. And you grandmothers and older ladies: for crying out loud...AVOID juice...at all cost!
1 Timothy 3 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine...
8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine
Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine
There is nothing wrong with being a tee-totaler. On the other hand, nothing wrong with having a glass of wine...or juice...either. (but not too excess)
So, back to OP question: was it wine, or juice?
It was wine. A church can insist it was juice all they want, but that's not what I'm seeing from reading the Bible...
Let's say you know a brother/sister in Christ used to be an alcoholic and it is a temptation for them to be around it, you invite them over and drink alcohol in front of them or even offer them some, then that could cause them to stumble/fall into that temptation.
If I invite people over who don't drink because they had a drinking problem in the past, I don't get out the wine, that's just common courtesy. Now if it's someone who just doesn't drink period, for religious views or because they don't like it, then I might have a glass of wine with dinner, but I don't see that as putting temtation in front of them if they never had a drinking problem.
Many people believe Jesus did not drink alcoholic wine... but if that were the case, why would the above statement have been written in the bible? People serve the cheaper wine when guests don't know any better, after drinking too much alcohol... why would Jesus turn water into alcohol if we aren't supposed to drink it? I believe it was actually true WINE...alcohol... that is my own interpretation... at my church we are given wine instead of juice at Commuinion... I am just curious about others take on this....I actually began thinking about it last night when reading the Fundamentalist thread and I said I enjoyed dancing after a glass of wine... of course I was being a bit of a smarty pants... but it is true... I do drink wine... not in excess...but I personally do not find anything morally wrong with it... but that is my own beliefs...
Where do you think, they may have gotten the ETOH from?, since you would have to add this volume to the wine...
Since this was a miracle, then what would lead on e to think that Jesus would someting as deceitful as this, since there is no "darkness in Him, it would seem evil to supernaturally make alcohol;
As for wine , kosher that is and that is more than likely what the Hebrews consumed during their celebrations
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