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If living a Christian walk is a process in our actions, and it is a battle never won then Christ is not who He said He was.
We are more than conquerors in Christ, He truly will give us the power to overcome any and all weaknesses "IF WE ASK" . If not then scripture lies to us.
godspeed,
freedom
When was the last time you raised someone from the dead?
I'm just sayin cause he said you would do greater things then he did on this earth, so...get to raising.
Wow, I come back to this forum after a month or so and bump into this.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Yes, you.
I feel like Paul having to say:
1Cr 3:1 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly–mere infants in Christ.
1Cr 3:2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
1Cr 3:3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?
Anyone read their Bible anymore?
1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[fn2] sin.
1Jo 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
And:
1Jo 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense–Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
1Jo 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Paul stuggled with sin, I guess some of you are better then him. I mean, you all raised folks from the dead, cast out demons, got stoned for your faith etc right?
Rom 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
Rom 7:16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.
Rom 7:17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.
Rom 7:18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[fn3] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
Rom 7:19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do–this I keep on doing.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
Rom 7:21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.
Rom 7:22 For in my inner being I delight in God's law;
Rom 7:23 but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.
Rom 7:24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God–through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
DOTL: I understand your frustration...trust me I do.
The one thing I'll rest with in my soul is knowing that if you walk away from him, he will never walk away from you.
What he has begun, he will carry out to completion within you...sometimes in spite of you. (Me too!)
2Ti 2:13 if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
Phl 1:6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
I would suggest taking a break from this bicker fest and renew your spirit. Find some brothers and sisters to have a meal and conversation with. Go to a good worship service.
I know I have too myself, it's why I don't spend a lot of time here. We are our own worst enemy sometimes.
Forget about this and focus on him.
I'll be praying for you.
I don't think you are seeing these discussions clearly. They are timely and very much so in line with the tares and the wheat, the parable of the seed sower.
Dotl needs to go direct to God and get a firm foundation. If what is going on here causes her to stumble and fall away, how strong was her desire to please God.
Build your house on a strong foundation and when the storms come, you will stand.
Only by the power of God is this done, so I have never raised anyone from the dead.
But that isn't the real issue is it. You are trying to box in the truth by tempting me.
If this teaching isn't for you, move on.
Jesus never taught us to walk in darkness, He taught us to walk in the light.
If you think that sin glorifies God, by all means keep defending it.
godspeed,
freedom
I guess the scripture where Jesus said you will raise people from the dead "lies to you then". If not, go - get to raising.
No? Do I detect you are being selective with what you wish to believe? Hmph...go figure.
For this thread Paul also said:
1Ti 1:15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners–of whom I am the worst.
Oh and BTW: In a round about way sin does glorify God. Only the sick need a doctor.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “Do not covet.”
Rom 7:8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead.
Rom 7:9 Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.
I don't think we should sin so that grace may abound, not at all BUT without sin we would not need a savior and his death is in vain.
If you claim to be without sin - you are lying to yourself. Period.
Now go raise someone from the dead and prove what you believe...or maybe YOU don't believe. I'm just sayin...
Have a great day, I have to go support my family.
You say you believe in Jesus and then mock His promise to those that believe.
Even the devils believe, i don't think they'll be doing any dead raising.
The belief that Christ taught of believers is pure and undefiled belief.
Remember when He told His Disciples that they needed to pray and fast in order to heal the possessed man.
They had not grown in the power of God to the point that Jesus had. These things take time and it is different for everyone according to their Faith.
To judge the teachings of Jesus based on whether someone has fulfilled the promise of power or not, doesn't take away from the calling to overcome.
To dismiss a teaching of Christ and mock the power of God is so wrong.
Those that do have the faith, and the righteousness to raise the dead would not go about boasting.
I don't think you are seeing these discussions clearly. They are timely and very much so in line with the tares and the wheat, the parable of the seed sower.
Dotl needs to go direct to God and get a firm foundation. If what is going on here causes her to stumble and fall away, how strong was her desire to please God.
Build your house on a strong foundation and when the storms come, you will stand.
godspeed,
freedom
So let's make DotL feel even worse and let's let the perfect people feel more perfect? This is what Jesus wants? There are very real stumbling blocks for believers...we are warned not to become stumbling blocks. That doesn't make us less of a believer than one of the "perfect" ones.
Did Jesus give us a rating system of believers? Were His words not clear enough that some think they've found a secret answer that only few can have? And don't give me that narrow road stuff. Read Galatians. Read our statement of faith in Romans! Let the Word of God as a whole reside in you and allow Him to do His work...not one way you choose to follow.
We are to encourage each other! How is tearing someone down encouraging? Rating each other against each other is disgusting. Look at me! I am without sin! Remember let who is without sin cast the first stone! There is a reason for that verse! Or do we discount it for one of the many that "perfect" people justify with?
HE is the Potter. He makes us in His time. If your words are pushing someone away, you had best take it to God in prayer really quick. Whether you want to believe someone or not, they said it...and God is the only one with the answer. NO MAN.
I have been personally ripped apart by these stupid sin threads. I've gone to God in tears and frustration and shame and depletion. HE has lifted me up...HE alone. Stop talking and starting praying. Pride goeth before the fall.
So let's make DotL feel even worse and let's let the perfect people feel more perfect? This is what Jesus wants? There are very real stumbling blocks for believers...we are warned not to become stumbling blocks. That doesn't make us less of a believer than one of the "perfect" ones.
How could she feel worse? She has decided to leave God and return to be a Wiccan. All because people are quoting scripture, that we are not to sin.
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Did Jesus give us a rating system of believers?
Who is rating believers, who is making this personal? I see well meaning believers quoting scriptures about the path of righteousness. Then others saying if you can't raise the dead then your wrong, and you can't stop sinning.
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Were His words not clear enough that some think they've found a secret answer that only few can have? And don't give me that narrow road stuff. Read Galatians. Read our statement of faith in Romans! Let the Word of God as a whole reside in you and allow Him to do His work...not one way you choose to follow.
Which words, "Go and sin no More" lest a worse thing befall thee? Or Be ye perfect even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect.
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We are to encourage each other! How is tearing someone down encouraging?
I reject your assertion that i'm tearing down. I havn't told anyone to shut up, or i'll see you in hell, or i'm leaving God because you guys said that Jesus taught us to overcome sin.
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Rating each other against each other is disgusting. Look at me! I am without sin! Remember let who is without sin cast the first stone! There is a reason for that verse! Or do we discount it for one of the many that "perfect" people justify with?
No one here is claiming they are perfect or havn't sinned. You are mis characterizing the discussion.
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HE is the Potter. He makes us in His time. If your words are pushing someone away, you had best take it to God in prayer really quick. Whether you want to believe someone or not, they said it...and God is the only one with the answer. NO MAN.
Nothing but ourselves can separate us from the love of God.
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I have been personally ripped apart by these stupid sin threads. I've gone to God in tears and frustration and shame and depletion. HE has lifted me up...HE alone. Stop talking and starting praying. Pride goeth before the fall.
Maybe they are growing pains. Maybe you've been taught that you don't have to do anything but say a prayer and Jesus won't see your deeds, and now the blinders are coming off.
godspeed,
freedom
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