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It also say that m,any who hold themselves out as christain will not be saved. I personally after reading the bible firmly believe that not all christain will go to heaven.Some will go to hell because they really are not believers in christ but folow the devil and the cecular world. JIMO;your welcome to yours.
The view that God simply determines who will and will not receive mercy contradicts the teaching of Scripture that God's love is universal and impartial and that He desires everyone to be saved (Acts 10:34; 1 Tim 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9). This implies that we are misinterpreting this passage (Rom 9:18-23) if we think it teaches that God's will is decisive in determining who will be saved and who will be damned.
Paul explains everything he's been talking about in Chapter 9 by appealing to the morally responsible choices of the Israelites and Gentiles. The Jews did not strive by faith (vv.30-32) though they should have (Rom 10:3). Instead, they chose to trust in their own works. As a nation, Paul says, the Jews "were broken off because of their unbelief" (11:20). This is why they have now been hardened (Rom 11:7,25), while the Gentiles who seek God by faith have been "grafted in" (Rom 11:23).
The analogy in Jeremiah 18 is that the Lord is able and willing to adjust his plans with people just as a potter revises his plans for a "vessel" once his original plan "was spoiled" (Jer18:4-6). Because He is the potter and has the right to fashion clay as He sees fit, He will "change His mind" about His intentions to bless or curse a nation if that nation changes its ways, for better or for worse (Jer 18:7-11).
When Paul says that God "has mercy on whomever He chooses, and He hardens the heart of whomever He chooses" (Rom. 9:18), he is not suggesting that God does this without any consideration of the choices people make. The people God chooses to have mercy on are those who have faith. The people God chooses to harden are those who don't "strive for righteousness on the basis of faith, but as if it were based on works" (Rom 9:32).
This explains why Paul says that God "endured with much patience" the vessels He was preparing for destruction (v.22). Why would He need "much patience" if the vessel was "spoiled" by His own fashioning? Why would He say, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people" (v. 10:21; citing Isa. 65:2) if He was the one molding them to be disobedient in the first place?
When Paul responds to the charge of injustice by asking, "who...are you, a human being, to argue with God?" (v.20), He is not thereby appealing to the sheer power of the potter over the clay. He is rather appealing to the rights and wisdom of the potter to fashion clay according to His providential purposes ("as seems good to Him" (Jer 18:4), and in a manner that is appropriate, given the kind of clay He has to work with.
Paul's interest in the chapter is not to show that God chooses who will and will not be saved. The issue Paul wrestles with throughout chapters 9,10, & 11 is whether or not "the word of God (His covenantal promises) failed (Rom 9:6). God's covenantal promises have never been based on works. This is why "not all Israelites truly belong to Israel" and "not all of Abraham's children are his true descendants" (Rom 9:6,7). You can be a Jew and not belong to God's covenant, for it is faith and not works that make one a true Israelite. For the same reason, one can be a Gentile and yet belong to God's covenant (Rom 2:28,29).
If He chooses to have mercy on sinners simply because they have faith, that is His divine perogative. If He chooses to harden people "because of their unbelief" (Rom 11:20), that too is His perogative. God's criterion of justice does not have to answer to our criterion of justice.
The view that God simply determines who will and will not receive mercy contradicts the teaching of Scripture that God's love is universal and impartial and that He desires everyone to be saved
God determines who will recieve His Mercy rom 9:
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
beloved57,
That doctrine is a doctrine of a monster, not of God our creator.
It is refuted soundly, not only by the OT and NT, but by the book Jesus read and preached from about His Gospel come, which is the book of 1 Enoch.
God has foreknowledge. God knows the end from the beginning, but He did not cause any man to sin. God is not willing that any perish. All are given the Light of Christ at the time they come into the world, and all who seek Him who seeks them, finds Him, by that Light.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Better see what God said about that; He offers full and free pardon for the repentant, but the soul that sinneth, without repentance, shall die.
God causes no man to sin, and offers full and free pardon for all who repent and turn from the sins of them.
The truth about the Book of Life as Enoch, the Ot, and NT reveals it is that no Adam/human being/man can get his name written in the Book of Life which was already completed/written from the foundation of the world; and so all names written there are ordained for eternal Life by adoption into the name of the Son of God; and names of Adam souls can only get blotted out of the Book of the Living; which book was written from the foundation of the world.
Calling God a monster is dangerous ground for blasphemy against His revelation of the free offer of Salvation for whosoever will.
A search for a name in that book on the last day of judgment turns up void if one's name was blotted out while they lived in unrepentant transgressions while they had their being intact.
Religious transgression, like shutting the kingdom of God up against souls entering in is a great form of iniquity, for this is the Day of Salvation for whosoever will come and be made clean, and enter into the Covenant of Sacrifice prepared from the foundation of the world, for their feast.
No He doesnt.. A person cannot be repentant unless they have already been given mercy..have been born again..
All in Adam are given the mercy of the Atonement which ended the first death for whosoever will -and for all who had not come to the age of self will when they died, because all souls belong to Jesus, who is God the Word come in flesh, to get His own image ransomed back for the Glory, which they lost in Adam; and He died for every soul who is written in the Book of Life. All Adam persons who would ever be born from the beginnning of creation are written in that book of Life.
Jesus came in the appointed season to ransom all who are written in the Book of Life, which book was already written from the foundation of the world, and no names were added to that Book from that beginning of creation. -And no nephillim were written in that book for redemption, and the nephillim/giants are the dead who are the wicked who cannot repent, and they are the tares who will be gathered and burned without judgment, because they have already been judged, and they cannot inherit the earth and cannot be cleansed because they are the foul spirits, offspring of fornication between sons of Gpod and daughters of Adam. They are the bastard spirits, the demons, and you can read of that in Enoch 14 and 15.
But all the sons of Adam are made clean by the Atonement [which covers all seed of Adam from the beginning of creation to the end of the multiplying of Adam seed on earth], and all born in Adam are called to repent and be born again in Christ's New Man name, as soon as they are accountable for their will, and choose to do evil -and in Adam, we all choose to eat the fruit and need to be born again in Christ.
No one's name is ever added to the Book of Life because it was written in heaven from the foundation of the world. One can only get one's name blotted out from that book by their own rejection of the Light or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by their own self will.
If there is no sin with understanding then there can be no repentance, and the name is not blotted out -and all babies who die are redeemed by the blood.
It is the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment for that sin that brings a person to repentance. The Light draws them on, and they seek and find.
Those who harden themselves have the freewill choice to do so and they get the desire of their hearts in the end -the Light departs, and the names are blotted out of the book of Life, with no remedy.
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1 Enoch 98
1 And now I swear unto you, to the wise and to the foolish,
For ye shall have manifold experiences on the earth.
2 For ye men shall put on more adornments than a woman,
And coloured garments more than a virgin:
In royalty and in grandeur and in power,
And in silver and in gold and in purple,
And in splendour and in food they shall be poured out as water.
3 Therefore they shall be wanting in doctrine and wisdom,
And they shall perish thereby together with their possessions;
And with all their glory and their splendour,
And in shame and in slaughter and in great destitution,
Their spirits shall be cast into the furnace of fire. 4 I have sworn unto you, ye sinners, as a mountain has not become a slave,
And a hill does not become the handmaid of a woman,
Even so sin has not been sent upon the earth,
But man of himself has created it,
All in Adam are given the mercy of the Atonement which ended the first death for whosoever will -and for all who had not come to the age of self will when they died, because all souls belong to Jesus, who is God the Word come in flesh, to get His own image ransomed back for the Glory, which they lost in Adam; and He died for every soul who is written in the Book of Life. All Adam persons who would ever be born from the beginnning of creation are written in that book of Life.
Jesus came in the appointed season to ransom all who are written in the Book of Life, which book was already written from the foundation of the world, and no names were added to that Book from that beginning of creation. -And no nephillim were written in that book for redemption, and the nephillim/giants are the dead who are the wicked who cannot repent, and they are the tares who will be gathered and burned without judgment, because they have already been judged, and they cannot inherit the earth and cannot be cleansed because they are the foul spirits, offspring of fornication between sons of Gpod and daughters of Adam. They are the bastard spirits, the demons, and you can read of that in Enoch 14 and 15.
But all the sons of Adam are made clean by the Atonement [which covers all seed of Adam from the beginning of creation to the end of the multiplying of Adam seed on earth], and all born in Adam are called to repent and be born again in Christ's New Man name, as soon as they are accountable for their will, and choose to do evil -and in Adam, we all choose to eat the fruit and need to be born again in Christ.
No one's name is ever added to the Book of Life because it was written in heaven from the foundation of the world. One can only get one's name blotted out from that book by their own rejection of the Light or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by their own self will.
If there is no sin with understanding then there can be no repentance, and the name is not blotted out -and all babies who die are redeemed by the blood.
It is the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment for that sin that brings a person to repentance. The Light draws them on, and they seek and find.
Those who harden themselves have the freewill choice to do so and they get the desire of their hearts in the end -the Light departs, and the names are blotted out of the book of Life, with no remedy.
I challenge you to a debate on the subject of what I am talking about.
All in Adam are given the mercy of the Atonement which ended the first death for whosoever will -and for all who had not come to the age of self will when they died, because all souls belong to Jesus, who is God the Word come in flesh, to get His own image ransomed back for the Glory, which they lost in Adam; and He died for every soul who is written in the Book of Life. All Adam persons who would ever be born from the beginnning of creation are written in that book of Life.
Jesus came in the appointed season to ransom all who are written in the Book of Life, which book was already written from the foundation of the world, and no names were added to that Book from that beginning of creation. -And no nephillim were written in that book for redemption, and the nephillim/giants are the dead who are the wicked who cannot repent, and they are the tares who will be gathered and burned without judgment, because they have already been judged, and they cannot inherit the earth and cannot be cleansed because they are the foul spirits, offspring of fornication between sons of Gpod and daughters of Adam. They are the bastard spirits, the demons, and you can read of that in Enoch 14 and 15.
But all the sons of Adam are made clean by the Atonement [which covers all seed of Adam from the beginning of creation to the end of the multiplying of Adam seed on earth], and all born in Adam are called to repent and be born again in Christ's New Man name, as soon as they are accountable for their will, and choose to do evil -and in Adam, we all choose to eat the fruit and need to be born again in Christ.
No one's name is ever added to the Book of Life because it was written in heaven from the foundation of the world. One can only get one's name blotted out from that book by their own rejection of the Light or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by their own self will.
If there is no sin with understanding then there can be no repentance, and the name is not blotted out -and all babies who die are redeemed by the blood.
It is the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment for that sin that brings a person to repentance. The Light draws them on, and they seek and find.
Those who harden themselves have the freewill choice to do so and they get the desire of their hearts in the end -the Light departs, and the names are blotted out of the book of Life, with no remedy.
I challenge you to a debate on the subject of what I am talking about.
meaningless, you are in the dark on spiritual truth..
And Jesus only died for His sheep, not the goats, here is their destiny Matt 25:
41Then shall he say also unto them [Goats] on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46And these [Goats/seed of the devil] shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal
There is no mercy for the devil and his seed..
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Who Receives God's Mercy?
