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Old 09-25-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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No He is not justified in sending anyone into such a place. Only our warped understanding of God,of what really happened in Eden and,why it happened would think such a thing. Stop this nonsense that we are poor low down miserable sinners in the eyes of our Heavenly Father in whom we all live and move and have our being,repentance begins when the goodness of God is made known to us(Romans 2:4),not when you realize what a worthless worm you are,it's by believing such nonsense that we act it out.

Christianity needs to repent for putting forth a god that created man in his own image and because man fell short of his expectations sends him into eternal torment.
Wow, that's heretical. I don't even know where to begin.


You are not a sinner?
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:51 AM
 
Location: New England
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Wow, that's heretical. I don't even know where to begin.


You are not a sinner?
What I said went right over your head because you cannot see beyond sin, then we wonder why we are bound by it. How about this ?, when sin abounds Grace over abounds, this does not mean that you are a sinner claiming grace to appease the wrath of God,it is a reality in the lives of those who believe it.As a man thinks in his heart so is he.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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What I said went right over your head because you cannot see beyond sin, then we wonder why we are bound by it. How about this ?, when sin abounds Grace over abounds, this does not mean that you are a sinner claiming grace to appease the wrath of God,it is a reality in the lives of those who believe it.As a man thinks in his heart so is he.
So you are a sinner. Good...glad you realize that.

On what basis do you think he just ignores sin? Is it just to ignore transgression?
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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So you are a sinner. Good...glad you realize that.

On what basis do you think he just ignores sin? Is it just to ignore transgression?
Who mentioned anything about ignoring sin ?. As a believer your focus,attention and desire should not be on sin or sin in your neighbor. Make the Grace and love of God the big deal will ya,and not sin,for it is the goodness of God that causes a man to repent .
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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Who mentioned anything about ignoring sin ?. As a believer your focus,attention and desire should not be on sin or sin in your neighbor. Make the Grace and love of God the big deal will ya,and not sin,for it is the goodness of God that causes a man to repent .
But we know not all men repent.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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No He is not justified in sending anyone into such a place. Only our warped understanding of God,of what really happened in Eden and,why it happened would think such a thing. Stop this nonsense that we are poor low down miserable sinners in the eyes of our Heavenly Father in whom we all live and move and have our being,repentance begins when the goodness of God is made known to us(Romans 2:4),not when you realize what a worthless worm you are,it's by believing such nonsense that we act it out.

Christianity needs to repent for putting forth a god that created man in his own image and because man fell short of his expectations sends him into eternal torment.
But, this is the way churches keep their coffers filled and keep people from finding out the truth about God and who they truly are...they have to incessantly pound into them that they are worthless sinners. If people no longer believed that about themselves, there would not be any need for them so they have to make sure people feel miserable and worthless.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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But, this is the way churches keep their coffers filled and keep people from finding out the truth about God and who they truly are...they have to incessantly pound into them that they are worthless sinners. If people no longer believed that about themselves, there would not be any need for them so they have to make sure people feel miserable and worthless.
It's what the Bible says. I mean...silly us for actually READING the Bible.

And I can assure you--my little country church doesn't have full coffers. They can't even afford a full-time pastor.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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But we know not all men repent.
That's because we keep telling them they are hell deserving sinners, convince a man he's going to be punished for being a sinner,what do you expect to him to do ? Give himself up or run and hide ?.

The goodness of God that causes a man to repent tells a man he is loved in spite of his short comings .
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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That's because we keep telling them they are hell deserving sinners, convince a man he's going to be punished for being a sinner,what do you expect to him to do ? Give himself up or run and hide ?.

The goodness of God that causes a man to repent tells a man he is loved in spite of his short comings .
So now you seem to have shifted from the universalism heresy to the pellagian heresy.

Are all men saved? Or just those that choose to repent?
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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So now you seem to have shifted from the universalism heresy to the pellagian heresy.

Are all men saved? Or just those that choose to repent?
What "caused" you to repent ?. Got a feeling I asked you this on another thread and you never answered it.
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