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Do not forget verse 5 '...a remnant according to the election of grace.'
It is not grace that elects some to be in Christ - it is the election that flows from recieving the grace that is in Christ. You are elect because you are in Him. You are in Him because of Grace through faith. This is how the believing Jews and Gentiles recieved that grace - by faith not works. This is what Paul contrasts in this section - see verse 6. Verse 7 - what did Israel seek? Righteousness. But it tried to obtain it through its works and physical relationship to Abraham. Verse 8 - that is why the eclect have obtained it (righteouseness) because they sought it through faith.
To be elect is post in Christ not pre in Christ. God foreknew those who would be in Christ. God did not elect anyone, prior to them being in Christ, to be in Him. You are elect becsuse you are in Him.
I know you all been so programed to think either like a Calvinist or an Armenian you cant pray and read the word for yourselves. Thats what it says though and this is what the Bible teaches. Meditate on it.
Thats right, blind to the Truth..only the elect are reconciled to God, and the elect are never cast away..its pretty simple, keeping that principle in mind can help understand scripture..
You are contradicting what you said a few posts ago. Above you say that the elect are never cast away.
Yet a few posts back I quoted this verse:
"For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving ofthem be but life from the dead?"
And you responded (post #19) "Thats talking about the elect, not the children of the devil.."
So you said both of these:
1. the elect are never cast away
2. "the casting away of them" is the elect
I would like to know too beloved ......... who do you think the ones that are cast away and received back again - which is life from the dead? The elect are not cast away, so who are these non elect who have life also?
According to you. Everyone has their own interpretation. If god was really the author of the bible he wouldn't have made so stinking hard to understand.
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Thy Kingdom Come;9746545]hmmm.... God chose Jacob before he was born. God chose Paul while he was yet wreaking havoc and seeking to murder believers.
Not for regeneration/justification/salvation. Christ was crucified before the foundation of the world - God knew that and chose that as well - was he crucified twice - think about it.
Was Paul in Christ when God chose him?
Yes and No, like Jesus was crucified before time began. Yes because this is what God foreknew in his omniscience, when Paul was born he was not in Christ just as Christ was not crucified yet. If not was he born again and regenrated from birth?
"Receiving" sounds alot like it involves "willing" and possibly "running"... I think election ultimately flows from God, not from "receiving".
You misunderstand, Paul clearly does not equate faith with any type of work in fact he contrasts them very succinctly throughout Romans.
According to you. Everyone has their own interpretation. If god was really the author of the bible he wouldn't have made so stinking hard to understand.
According to Gods Truth you are teaching a false Gospel..
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