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I find the different opinions about the second coming quite fascinating. So, you believe the Spirit during Pentecost is the Second Coming of Christ? And the Bible is no longer needed? And that using the Bible for guidance is a big mistake?
Just curious.
Yes. IF you extract from the Bible the Holy Spirit of God as described in detail and Divinely Revealed and demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross, you have no need of the Bible. His two "commandments" (really instructions) not only cover all the "laws" but everything else as well. IF you genuinely stay in the states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit (the "mind of Christ") and guide your life by it you cannot sin or do anything wrong. Whenever you fail it is because you are in some OTHER state of mind. That is why you need to "repent" (change your state of mind). The following states of mind are comprehensive and render impotent all possible occasions for sin. The Bible is unnecessary.
Philippians 2:5-30 King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
The Holy Spirit IS the True Nature of God revealed, described, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. He IS agape love, kindness, mercy, compassion, gentleness, unconditional acceptance, empathy, sympathy, tolerance, long-suffering, decency, friendliness, peacefulness, joyfulness, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, sensitivity, tender-heartedness, soft-heartedness, warm-heartedness, warmth, love, brotherly love, tenderness, gentleness, mercifulness, leniency, lenience, consideration, kindness, humanity, humaneness, kind-heartedness, charity, benevolence, and He is non-judgmental.
Yes. IF you extract from the Bible the Holy Spirit of God as described in detail and Divinely Revealed and demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross, you have no need of the Bible. His two "commandments" (really instructions) not only cover all the "laws" but everything else as well. IF you genuinely stay in the states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit (the "mind of Christ") and guide your life by it you cannot sin or do anything wrong. Whenever you fail it is because you are in some OTHER state of mind. That is why you need to "repent" (change your state of mind). The following states of mind are comprehensive and render impotent all possible occasions for sin. The Bible is unnecessary.
Philippians 2:5-30 King James Version
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
The Holy Spirit IS the True Nature of God revealed, described, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. He IS agape love, kindness, mercy, compassion, gentleness, unconditional acceptance, empathy, sympathy, tolerance, long-suffering, decency, friendliness, peacefulness, joyfulness, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, sensitivity, tender-heartedness, soft-heartedness, warm-heartedness, warmth, love, brotherly love, tenderness, gentleness, mercifulness, leniency, lenience, consideration, kindness, humanity, humaneness, kind-heartedness, charity, benevolence, and He is non-judgmental.
Very interesting view, thanks.
I definitely agree that we should seek the Holy Spirit for guidance, it leads us to all truth. But we seek that Spiritual guidance by studying the scriptures and through prayer. The prophecy of the Scripture came to us by "holy men of God spake as they were moved on by the Holy Ghost". (2 Peter 1:2) I don't believe the Holy Ghost will tell us to ignore the Bible which was inspired by Holy Ghost. The Spirit of Truth will not contradict itself.
I am interested in learning about the second coming of Jesus Christ through studying the Bible. Some people are not interested in this subject, and that is OK.
......I am interested in learning about the second coming of Jesus Christ through studying the Bible....
You might want to start at 1st Thess 5:2-3 where it speaks of Jesus' coming in connection as a thief in the night (Rev. 16:15)
In other words, we don't know the day or hour (Matt:24:36) but we know the season is now quite ripe ( Matt 24:32-33 ).
The powers in charge will be saying, "Peace and Security......" but that rosy saying could just lead people down that primrose path, in other words, that rosy saying will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14,9.
At Armageddon (war to end all wars - Psalm 46:9 ) Jesus will take the action found at Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15.
' sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the earth of the wicked.
ALL the wicked will be destroyed ->Psalm 37:38; Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
Then, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
There will be ' healing ' for earth's nations - Rev. 22:2
Healing to the point that No one will say, " I am sick....." - Isaiah 33:24
Earth and its people will be happy and healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
This is why we are all invited to pray to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20
I definitely agree that we should seek the Holy Spirit for guidance, it leads us to all truth. But we seek that Spiritual guidance by studying the scriptures and through prayer. The prophecy of the Scripture came to us by "holy men of God spake as they were moved on by the Holy Ghost". (2 Peter 1:2) I don't believe the Holy Ghost will tell us to ignore the Bible which was inspired by Holy Ghost. The Spirit of Truth will not contradict itself.
I am interested in learning about the second coming of Jesus Christ through studying the Bible. Some people are not interested in this subject, and that is OK.
The Holy Spirit is not something unknown or mysterious or supernatural. Jesus described it in detail, revealed it personally, and demonstrated it unambiguously on the Cross during horrendous life and death circumstances! You can continue to think it is some supernatural thing that only exists in the pages of the Bible but you would be wrong.
Our ignorant primitive ancestors were moved (inspired) by the Holy Spirit, but they misunderstood and misinterpreted using their primitive and barbaric beliefs about their War God. That is why you have to apply the "mind of Christ" to what is written to make it compatible with the Holy Spirit. They phrased things using their erroneous belief about a wrathful and vengeful War God, which Jesus unambiguously revealed GOD IS NOT!!
The Holy Spirit is not something unknown or mysterious or supernatural. Jesus described it in detail, revealed it personally, and demonstrated it unambiguously on the Cross during horrendous life and death circumstances! You can continue to think it is some supernatural thing that only exists in the pages of the Bible but you would be wrong.
Our ignorant primitive ancestors were moved (inspired) by the Holy Spirit, but they misunderstood and misinterpreted using their primitive and barbaric beliefs about their War God. That is why you have to apply the "mind of Christ" to what is written to make it compatible with the Holy Spirit. They phrased things using their erroneous belief about a wrathful and vengeful War God, which Jesus unambiguously revealed GOD IS NOT!!
You should really not present your opinions as though they are dogmatic fact. Most of Christianity recognizes the triunity of God, and that he is a supernatural being which therefore makes the Holy Spirit supernatural. Your opinion to the contrary is just that . . .your opinion, and is contrary to what most of Christianity believes.
You should really not present your opinions as though they are dogmatic fact. Most of Christianity recognizes the triunity of God, and that he is a supernatural being which therefore makes the Holy Spirit supernatural. Your opinion to the contrary is just that . . .your opinion, and is contrary to what most of Christianity believes.
The fact that is what most of Christianity believes does not make it true. They have essentially ignored and misinterpreted Jesus on the Cross in favor of our ancestors' ignorant interpretations. For some inexplicable reason, most of Christianity has retained our ancestors' primitive and barbaric beliefs about God DESPITE the Divine Revelations of Jesus Christ. It is an enigma.
The fact that iswhat most of Christianity believes does not make it true. They have essentially ignored and misinterpreted Jesus on the Cross in favor of our ancestors' ignorant interpretations. For some inexplicable reason, most of Christianity has retained our ancestors' primitive and barbaric beliefs about God DESPITE the Divine Revelations of Jesus Christ. It is an enigma.
There's nothing primitive or barbaric about the belief in the Triunity of God nor of his supernatural nature. Nothing at all. You apparently think that Jesus was wrong when he told his disciples that the Holy Spirit would lead them to all the truth as per John 16:13.
Last edited by Michael Way; 08-28-2022 at 09:48 PM..
You might want to start at 1st Thess 5:2-3 where it speaks of Jesus' coming in connection as a thief in the night (Rev. 16:15)
In other words, we don't know the day or hour (Matt:24:36) but we know the season is now quite ripe ( Matt 24:32-33 ).
The powers in charge will be saying, "Peace and Security......" but that rosy saying could just lead people down that primrose path, in other words, that rosy saying will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Rev. 7:14,9.
At Armageddon (war to end all wars - Psalm 46:9 ) Jesus will take the action found at Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15.
' sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the earth of the wicked.
ALL the wicked will be destroyed ->Psalm 37:38; Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
Then, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
There will be ' healing ' for earth's nations - Rev. 22:2
Healing to the point that No one will say, " I am sick....." - Isaiah 33:24
Earth and its people will be happy and healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
This is why we are all invited to pray to God for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20
Thanks Matthew, I will review these scriptures.
He will not come as a thief in the night for those who know what to watch for.
1 Thessalonians 5:2-6: "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."
Jesus told his disciples exactly what to watch for in Matthew 24. I have been watching for many years and something happened recently that may indicate the time is nearer than many believe.
There's nothing primitive or barbaric about the belief in the Triunity of God nor of his supernatural nature. Nothing at all. You apparently think that Jesus was wrong when he told his disciples that the Holy Spirit would lead them to all the truth as per John 16:13.
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are NOT "persons." God the Father is Spirit and His Spirit is Holy, Duh! Jesus is a Human who was conceived by God's Holy Spirit, born of a woman, and His human Spirit was taught and groomed to maturity under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. At maturity, His human Spirit was IDENTICAL to God's Holy Spirit and it pleased God at His baptism. When He was crucified and died His human Spirit was "born again" as the Holy Spirit (Comforter) as ALL human Spirits are.
But His "born again" human Spirit is identical to God's Holy Spirit connecting ALL "born again" human Spirits with God permanently. He sits at the right hand of God as the head of us all and abides with us in our consciousness to guide us to the Truth. Your Triunity is born of human ignorance and superstition and lack of knowledge about the actual basis of "personhood" in our consciousness (human Spirit), IMVKO.
If you believe in the Second Coming of Christ, what do you think still needs to happen before He returns?
Me? Either.....
1) NOTHING at all! The Second Coming could be any day now.
OR
2) the Great Chastisement immediately before the Second Coming
My reasoning:
-We are at Revelation 20:9
-The Great Apostasy has already occurred
-The Antichrist has already come in the form of the last 4 or 5 popes
-The majority of the secrets of La Salette and Fatima have already taken place
-Matthew 24:37 For as the days of Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, 39 and they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away, so too will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Remember two things. A) Just like God's only concern in the Old Testament was Israel, so it is today as God's only concern now is his church....the Catholic Church. All Prophecy for the end times deals only with the Catholic Church. B) Just as Israel was looking for a larger than life earthly king figure in the Messiah and most people in that time didn't recognize Jesus as Messiah, so it is today. Most people misread Revelation and end time prophecy thinking of major "epic" events and fail to see what is taking place now has already fulfilled prophecy. God is more concerned with the spiritual battle, not the earthly ones.
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) not only cover all the "laws" but everything else as well. IF you genuinely stay in the states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit (the "mind of Christ") and guide your life by it you cannot sin or do anything wrong. Whenever you fail it is because you are in some OTHER state of mind. That is why you need to "repent" (change your state of mind). The following states of mind are comprehensive and render impotent all possible occasions for sin. The Bible is unnecessary.
