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John 3:36 (King James Version) "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
John 3:36 (New International Version)
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
You're not rejecting me................
AIONIOS NEVER MEANS ETERNAL
For aionios, or any combination thereof, to mean "eternal" its noun form MUST mean eternal. It doesn’t. It is impossible for the adjective aionios to mean eternal. Aionios is an adjective. Just as the function of "American" (adj.) is to inform us of that which pertains to America (it is never greater than "America") thus also the function of "aionios" (adj) is to inform us of that which pertains to the eon(s). It is never greater than the eons. No aion is eternal. Therefore it is impossible for that which pertains to the eons to be eternal. See
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
A common argument is that the subject matter changes aion from meaning a long period of time to eternal. This is simply not true.
There are many places in the Bible where the translation of aion as eternal or everlasting makes no sense at all. But there are no places in the Bible where the translation of aion as a limited period of time does not make perfect sense.
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tentmaker comparative concordance Comparative Concordance of how the Greek words aion and aionios are translated in various Bible translations
TWO COMMON QUESTIONS
QUESTION ONE:
If aionion NEVER means eternal, won’t the life of God come to an end?
ANSWER: Of course God is eternal, but that is not what the use of the word aionios is saying about Him. God is the God of the eons.
• THE EONS HAVE A BEGINNING Literal Translation versus / King James Version
•
Heb.1:2 God made the eons / God made the worlds
I Cor. 2:7 before the eons / before the world
2Tim.1:9 before eonian times / before the world began
• THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world
• HOW MANY EONS ARE THERE?
Col.1:26 hid from eons Past / hid from ages
Lu. 20:34 this eon Present / this world
Eph. 2:7 eons to come Future / ages to come
A minimum of five eons indicated
• THE PURPOSE OF THE EONS
• Eph.3:8-11 purpose of the eons / eternal purpose
Eph. 1:9-1l; PhiI.2:9-l1; Col.1:l5-21; I Cor. 15:20-28
QUESTION TWO: If aionion NEVER means eternal, won’t the life of the believer come to an end since the word is applied to both the life of the believer, and the punishment of the non-believer?
ANSWER: While the believer is enjoying aionion life, the unbeliever will experience kolasis aionion Matthew 25:46 (which means age-during corrective chastisement). Chapter Eleven
Believers do receive aionion life. But if this is all that God promised, there would be no assurance of life beyond the eons. However, at the end of the eons God abolishes death from His universe (I Cor. 15:26). This is accomplished by imparting the resurrection life of Christ to all who have not previously received it. Aionion life assures one of life up to that point. Beyond that, death is impossible. Furthermore believers are made immortal when the Lord returns (I Cor. 15:50-57). When one has been made immortal, death is impossible.
There is a Greek word that Young translates eternal and that is "aidios" as in Romans 1:20, “eternal power and Godhead.” It can mean eternal unless it is limited by a qualifying phrase.
See Young’s literal translation of the Bible.
It compares with the Hebrew word qedem in Deut. 33:27 which should read
“The eternal (qedem) God is my refuge, and underneath are the age-during (olam) arms. (see Young's literal translation)
The Hebrew word olam compares with the Greek word aionios. Both of them refer to a limited period of time.
Jesus never allowed himself to use it in connection with punishment, nor did any of his disciples but one, and he but once, and then carefully and expressly limited its meaning. Can demonstration go further than this to show that Jesus carefully avoided the phraseology by which his contemporaries described the doctrine of endless punishment? He never adopted the language of his day on this subject. Their language was aidios timoria, endless torment.His language was aionion kolasin, age-lasting correction.They described unending ruin,He, discipline, resulting in reformation.
Those whom you and many others presently condemn for ever, God will eventually reconcile.
John 3:36 (King James Version)
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
John 3:36 (New International Version)
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Jesus answered, "I am the way and thetruth...."John 14:6
John 3:36 (King James Version)
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
John 3:36 (New International Version)
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Jesus answered, "I am the way and thetruth...."John 14:6
And the wrath remains for the (AGE) which has a beginning and an (END)
God is also not mocked because what a man sows, he shall also reap.
For aionios, or any combination thereof, to mean "eternal" its noun form MUST mean eternal. It doesn’t. It is impossible for the adjective aionios to mean eternal. Aionios is an adjective. Just as the function of "American" (adj.) is to inform us of that which pertains to America (it is never greater than "America") thus also the function of "aionios" (adj) is to inform us of that which pertains to the eon(s). It is never greater than the eons. No aion is eternal. Therefore it is impossible for that which pertains to the eons to be eternal.
Well, I see things in a figurative and literal light so it can be either one and in the correct perspective of usage it does not hinder the belief.
The problem with some of the teachings on this word it promotes a grammar rule that does not exist so therefor the teaching of such things can be rightly questioned.
L Ray Smith says that an Adjective of a noun cannot be greater than the noun it was derived from, there is no such rule since Superior is an adjective of Super.
I can read any translation and see Gods ultimate goal to reconcile all mankind and see it within the words that are in the translation. But that's just me.
John 3:36 (King James Version) "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
John 3:36 (New International Version)
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Jesus answered, "I am the way and thetruth...."John 14:6
Yo, twin.spin. I can play the repeat the post game too. The difference is I read yours, but you don't read mine.
AIONIOS NEVER MEANS ETERNAL
For aionios, or any combination thereof, to mean "eternal" its noun form MUST mean eternal. It doesn’t. It is impossible for the adjective aionios to mean eternal. Aionios is an adjective. Just as the function of "American" (adj.) is to inform us of that which pertains to America (it is never greater than "America") thus also the function of "aionios" (adj) is to inform us of that which pertains to the eon(s). It is never greater than the eons. No aion is eternal. Therefore it is impossible for that which pertains to the eons to be eternal. See
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
A common argument is that the subject matter changes aion from meaning a long period of time to eternal. This is simply not true.
There are many places in the Bible where the translation of aion as eternal or everlasting makes no sense at all. But there are no places in the Bible where the translation of aion as a limited period of time does not make perfect sense.
Copy and paste into Google
tentmaker comparative concordance Comparative Concordance of how the Greek words aion and aionios are translated in various Bible translations
TWO COMMON QUESTIONS
QUESTION ONE:
If aionion NEVER means eternal, won’t the life of God come to an end?
ANSWER: Of course God is eternal, but that is not what the use of the word aionios is saying about Him. God is the God of the eons.
• THE EONS HAVE A BEGINNING Literal Translation versus / King James Version
•
Heb.1:2 God made the eons / God made the worlds
I Cor. 2:7 before the eons / before the world
2Tim.1:9 before eonian times / before the world began
• THE EONS END, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world
• HOW MANY EONS ARE THERE?
Col.1:26 hid from eons Past / hid from ages
Lu. 20:34 this eon Present / this world
Eph. 2:7 eons to come Future / ages to come
A minimum of five eons indicated
• THE PURPOSE OF THE EONS
• Eph.3:8-11 purpose of the eons / eternal purpose
Eph. 1:9-1l; PhiI.2:9-l1; Col.1:l5-21; I Cor. 15:20-28
QUESTION TWO: If aionion NEVER means eternal, won’t the life of the believer come to an end since the word is applied to both the life of the believer, and the punishment of the non-believer?
ANSWER: While the believer is enjoying aionion life, the unbeliever will experience kolasis aionion Matthew 25:46 (which means age-during corrective chastisement). Chapter Eleven
Believers do receive aionion life. But if this is all that God promised, there would be no assurance of life beyond the eons. However, at the end of the eons God abolishes death from His universe (I Cor. 15:26). This is accomplished by imparting the resurrection life of Christ to all who have not previously received it. Aionion life assures one of life up to that point. Beyond that, death is impossible. Furthermore believers are made immortal when the Lord returns (I Cor. 15:50-57). When one has been made immortal, death is impossible.
There is a Greek word that Young translates eternal and that is "aidios" as in Romans 1:20, “eternal power and Godhead.” It can mean eternal unless it is limited by a qualifying phrase.
See Young’s literal translation of the Bible.
It compares with the Hebrew word qedem in Deut. 33:27 which should read
“The eternal (qedem) God is my refuge, and underneath are the age-during (olam) arms. (see Young's literal translation)
The Hebrew word olam compares with the Greek word aionios. Both of them refer to a limited period of time.
Jesus never allowed himself to use it in connection with punishment, nor did any of his disciples but one, and he but once, and then carefully and expressly limited its meaning. Can demonstration go further than this to show that Jesus carefully avoided the phraseology by which his contemporaries described the doctrine of endless punishment? He never adopted the language of his day on this subject. Their language was aidios timoria, endless torment.His language was aionion kolasin, age-lasting correction.They described unending ruin,He, discipline, resulting in reformation.
John 3:36 (King James Version) "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
John 3:36 (New International Version)
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
Jesus answered, "I am the way and thetruth...."John 14:6
JESUS IS THE ACTUAL (NOT JUST POTENTIAL) SAVIOUR OF ALL
Rejecting Jesus and not believing in Him is a temporary condition.
Sooner or later all fallen creatures everywhere will accept Jesus and believe in Him and enjoy His life after God's wrath (kolasis aionios, which means age-during corrective chastisement), motivated by his love, has done it's corrective work.
See the contents of the following link which Scripturally deals with the many aspects of the subject. Savior of the World Series
Sadly, twin.spin will probably have no interest whatsoever in finding out that the Bible teaches that God is sooner or later save all fallen creatures from everthing from which they need to be saved (including their stubborn wills) because of what Christ accomplished by His death and resurrection, through the power in the blood of His cross.
Last edited by rodgertutt; 07-21-2009 at 07:15 PM..
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Well, I see things in a figurative and literal light so it can be either one and in the correct perspective of usage it does not hinder the belief.
The problem with some of the teachings on this word it promotes a grammar rule that does not exist so therefor the teaching of such things can be rightly questioned.
L Ray Smith says that an Adjective of a noun cannot be greater than the noun it was derived from, there is no such rule since Superior is an adjective of Super.
I can read any translation and see Gods ultimate goal to reconcile all mankind and see it within the words that are in the translation. But that's just me.
Paul,
I also am not too concerned over the "grammar" issue, I am more concerned over how there is 2 different meanings of the same word, and its dependent on what is being described. So when the word is used for life and damnation it has one meaning {eternal} and when it used in any other place it has a different meaning {world} {age} For a lot of people they would assume that there is 2 different words being used in the original, however, it is the same word.
Paul,
I am more concerned over how there is 2 different meanings of the same word, and its dependent on what is being described. So when the word is used for life and damnation it has one meaning {eternal} and when it used in any other place it has a different meaning {world} {age} For a lot of people they would assume that there is 2 different words being used in the original, however, it is the same word.
A common argument is that the subject matter changes aion from meaning a long period of time to eternal. This is simply not true.
There are many places in the Bible where the translation of aion as eternal or everlasting makes no sense at all. But there are no places in the Bible where the translation of aion as a limited period of time does not make perfect sense.
Was it not clear to you from post 107 that it NEVER has two different meanings?
It is clear to me that it does not have 2 meanings - but what I see about twinspin and others posting is that even after lots of posts about "how can aion and aionios have 2 meanings?" they still go to their KJV and say but look it says right there - its ETERNAL, or they ignore the question and quote scripture that says ETERNAL damnation like it proves that the life and damnation are eternal.
Still waiting for a reply from twinspin
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Aionios NEVER means eternal
