Is torture a good thing? (purification, translate, Matthew, grace)
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I said no such thing. I am talking about terrorists? you talk about good of mankind by whose definition Pcamp? I doubt Atheist and Muslim would see it your way about the good of mankind?
Your view of God is incomplete. God also jealous, vengeful, wrathful, and a just God but since He is righteous, those attributes are not tainted with sin. He is righteous therefore all His attributes are righteous
Yes He is righteous, that is why none of those things can override His love, which is what you are saying happens.
Yes He is wrathful in that He shows wrath, but His wrath will one day end.
Yes He is just because He renders a fair and measured punishment based on what has been done.
Yes He is vengeful because He corrects and repays what happens to those wronged.
Yes He is jealous because He does not tolerate idols or other gods.
None of those qualities override or cancel His love, which never fails.
His love makes all things possible.
His love covers all wrongs.
His love drives Him to render justice and correct wrongs and even show wrath.
However, Love and eternal torture are complete opposites.
Yes He is righteous, that is why none of those things can override His love, which is what you are saying happens.
Yes He is wrathful in that He shows wrath, but His wrath will one day end.
Yes He is just because He renders a fair and measured punishment based on what has been done.
Yes He is vengeful because He corrects and repays what happens to those wronged.
Yes He is jealous because He does not tolerate idols or other gods.
None of those qualities override or cancel His love, which never fails.
His love makes all things possible.
His love covers all wrongs.
His love drives Him to render justice and correct wrongs and even show wrath.
However, Love and eternal torture are complete opposites.
I see different from you looking at the same bible you do. You like to argue from a human standpoint explaining God's love by talking about the "greater good of mankind" and that is not my argument
My argument is God gets the glory. In everything He gets glory and that is sending people to hell, whether some, most, or all. God shows His grace even if He allows one person in heaven and still gets the glory. He gets the glory no matter what.
I said no such thing. I am talking about terrorists? you talk about good of mankind by whose definition Pcamp? I doubt Atheist and Muslim would see it your way about the good of mankind?
This thread is about is
'torture a good thing ?" in reference to eternal torment and not how the kingdoms of this world operate and what an athiest or muslim believes.
Do you not know that the kingdom of God operates in the exact opposite way to the kingdoms of this world ?.
Jesus Himself said "My kingdom is not of this world"
Do you not know that the kingdom of God operates in the exact opposite way to the kingdoms of this world ?.
So then why ask this question If God acts different and sees different from this world why ask people in the world using a worldly question of torture to ask if God would condone eternal "torture"?
This whole premise is off and absolutely going nowhere.
..I said I'm not 100% sure...and neither can anyone say they are...I've heard of no one coming back and telling us about their experience...?
...and I never said this either legoman! These are YOUR words...what I said was, is that I am not 100% sure.
................I'm considering..........Jesus defeats death to those who love, hear, see and believe the Word of God, and repent of their sins, and are baptized in the drenching of the Holy Spirit of Christ, and live as a mature overcomer of sin in their lives, obeying the commandments of God out of their love for Him...being found holy and blameless in His presence.
...Please, forgive me...I didn't mean to imply "you" as being you...I meant to say "someone."
...I guess this is another "version" of your own doctrine legoman...it isn't what the Bibile says will happen if you hear this....BUT...here we are...you trying to re-write what Scripture TRULY does say.
...the only thing I could do...point my face in the direction of His finger, and begin walking..away....FROM Him...forever...crying...but He will not hear my cry.
Let me try to keep this one on topic. This is not about trying to rewrite what scripture says, but simply understanding what scripture truly does say.
Would this be a good thing if God sent you away forever? Wouldn't this be torture for you? How could it be good for God to allow this act of torture?
I ask myself this honestly, and I don't see this as a good thing. Don't feel you need to respond Verna, I understand if you don't want to.
My argument is God gets the glory. In everything He gets glory and that is sending people to hell, whether some, most, or all. God shows His grace even if He allows one person in heaven and still gets the glory. He gets the glory no matter what.
No, he doesn't get the glory no matter what. He gets the glory because everything He does is good. I don't see eternal torture fitting in there.
So then why ask this question If God acts different and sees different from this world why ask people in the world using a worldly question of torture to ask if God would condone eternal "torture"?
This whole premise is off and absolutely going nowhere.
Fundy that is pretty dumb off you
Fill out the blank the world tortures and God does ________ torture
I will give you a clue it as 3 letters.
Put it another way , what is the opposite of torturing someone ?
Opposites fundy .Here is a couple of Sunday school examples
The world says save, God says give.
The world says hate , God says love.
Now do you understand the Kingdom of God is the exact opposite of the worlds kingdoms ?.
No, he doesn't get the glory no matter what. He gets the glory because everything He does is good. I don't see eternal torture fitting in there.
LOL...You are backing yourself in a corner. If everything that God does is good including "causing evil" as you had stated in another thread then rape and murder of innocent little girls is good? but eternal hell for people who reject His grace and the covering of the blood of Christ is bad?
Your lack of consistency defeats you.
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