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LOL...You are backing yourself in a corner. If everything that God does is good including "causing evil" as you had stated in another thread then rape and murder of innocent little girls is good? but eternal hell for people who reject His grace and the covering of the blood of Christ is bad?
Your lack of consistency defeats you.
Strawman.
Yes everything God does is good, even creating evil. But I'm talking about ultimate good, not temporary good. This whole planet earth is somewhat (almost completely?) bad - but that is temporary and for our ultimate good. God does things for our (mankind's) ultimate good. That is His love. That is what brings Him glory. The fact that He is selfless and does things for the ultimate benefit of all.
Eternal torture is not good (ultimately) for mankind and is completely contradictory to His nature.
But I'm talking about ultimate good, not temporary good.
What does that even mean?
LOL......So your saying, rape and murder of innocent little girls is good? but eternal hell for people who reject His grace and the covering of the blood of Christ is bad?
LOL......So your saying, rape and murder of innocent little girls is good? but eternal hell for people who reject His grace and the covering of the blood of Christ is bad?
NO They are both bad. I'm not sure why you do not understand this.
Rape and murder of innocent little girls is very very evil. But God allows evil, even creates evil, for a good reason. That good reason is for the ultimate good of all mankind. Make no mistake: God allows evil for the good of all mankind. Can you understand why this would be? We discussed it in another thread somewhere.
But there is no good reason why God could cause or even allow eternal torture.
(Your comment about people rejecting His grace is not relevant, all will confess Christ is Lord and swear allegiance to Him - there is no "rejection" forever)
But say some people did reject God forever. Why is it better for God to eternally torture them, instead of simply annihilating them out of existence?
In a parable, Jesus spoke of a servant who was “turned . . . over to the jailers to be torturedâ€
(Matthew 18:34)
34 In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
The bible is pretty clear about individuals using torture to extract confession but not so clear about the government's use of it. As far as eternal "torture" God alone is able to mete out punishment with perfect justice, and it is His prerogative to make His punishment painful. Demons are aware of a future time of “torture†for themselves. During the Tribulation, torment will be part of the plagues upon evildoers. In any of His judgments. God is holy and perfectly fair.
The word in that sentence translated as torture or tormentors is basanistēs, which is derived from basanizo(purification) ... A basanizo is a touchstone, used to test the purity of metals in the process of refinement.
God doesn't torture people, people torture people. True torture is for the sake of maiming only, to hurt and not to heal. The method of Gods judgments is to heal the one so judged, and to purify them as silver and gold.
NO They are both bad. I'm not sure why you do not understand this.
Rape and murder of innocent little girls is very very evil. But God allows evil, even creates evil, for a good reason. That good reason is for the ultimate good of all mankind. Make no mistake: God allows evil for the good of all mankind. Can you understand why this would be? We discussed it in another thread somewhere.
But there is no good reason why God could cause or even allow eternal torture.
(Your comment about people rejecting His grace is not relevant, all will confess Christ is Lord and swear allegiance to Him - there is no "rejection" forever)
But say some people did reject God forever. Why is it better for God to eternally torture them, instead of simply annihilating them out of existence?
The word in that sentence translated as torture or tormentors is basanistēs, which is derived from basanizo(purification) ... A basanizo is a touchstone, used to test the purity of metals in the process of refinement.
God doesn't torture people, people torture people. True torture is for the sake of maiming only, to hurt and not to heal. The method of Gods judgments is to heal the one so judged, and to purify them as silver and gold.
ummmm...we covered this I never said, Jesus condoned torturing. Please read the rest of the posts.
Exactly! That is why He does not eternally torture anyone.
exactly whaaaaaaaat. You still can't define how raping of a little girl is let alone eternal torment
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