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Old 05-16-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Spreading paranoid delusions is to claim expertise only to then mock that very source upon which the expertise is claimed upon.
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I don't know what you are talking about.

You live your life in fear of imaginary dangers. How does it feel?
I feel that you saying that in response is as delusional as the arrogant blind man walking past this sign


thinking it's some sort of threat while blaming the sign author and maker when it does happen despite being forewarned.
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Old 05-16-2016, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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I don't believe it follows that just because Jesus holds the keys that the spirit prison no longer exists. The reason I say this (at least one of the reasons) is that Jesus visiting it evidently served a purpose. He preached His gospel to the ones who were there.

To me, it seems that a visit would have been unnecessary had they not had to make a decision.

I'm assuming you meant to type "converted" instead of "conversed." I'm curious as to how you see this conversion happening. Are you saying that some little kid living in 6th century China died, instantly and without any real reason or choice in the matter, accepted Jesus and gained a knowledge of His gospel perhaps by osmosis? And this makes sense to you? I mean, if it does, okay, but if that's the case, is there any point at all to our even having to experience mortality?
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What point would there have been to Him having done that if they had no choice as to whether to accept or reject it?
Lets look at Gods work in creation via His eyes.

He wanted to create an entities, like Himself, after His likeness......frankly......gods with the lower case g.

Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Adam and Eve, as innocent babes, must navigate intelligently through a world set up for trial.

But how would they do that if they didn't know anything?

Does a baby know anything when first born?

So, God uses the illustration of a tree of knowledge and Adam and Eve partaking of it, as part of the natural order; such as like a new born babies growing up learning about the world around them.

When the time comes for them to exercise their own minds,their independent thinking is when separation

comes
or, in other words, become their own gods, akin to Adam and Eve being separated at becoming their own gods, from the garden of Eden. At that point, as like Adam and Eve, became lost.

It was by design it be that way. How else could gods exist as independent gods with a mind of their own?

God understood the consequences and therefore, made plans to save His creation.

Creation was not lost by any fault of humanity, but rather, by Gods creative process.

It was then God's responsibility to save His own creation.

How suppose He proposed to save it...... by mankind's righteousness? NO!

But with God's own righteousness, in the form of a human body, God sacrificed Him.

No way out for Him.

Blessings, AJ
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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I feel that you saying that in response is as delusional as the arrogant blind man walking past this sign


thinking it's some sort of threat while blaming the sign author and maker when it does happen despite being forewarned.
The danger isn't real. It's completely imaginary.

Heaven and hell exist nowhere but in the human imagination.

If you have evidence that hell is real and not imaginary, then let's hear it.
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I feel that you saying that in response is as delusional as the arrogant blind man walking past this sign


thinking it's some sort of threat while blaming the sign author and maker when it does happen despite being forewarned.
If the man is - as you say - blind, how can you expect him, arrogant or humble, to read anything?



You've outdone yourself with this one.
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:40 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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If the man is - as you say - blind, how can you expect him, arrogant or humble, to read anything?



You've outdone yourself with this one.
It's called: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” ~ Jesus

How can it be expected of the blind?
"Whoever has ears, let them hear.” ~ Jesus

"the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Whoever has ears, let them hear." ~ Jesus

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Old 05-16-2016, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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It's called: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” ~ Jesus

How can it be expected of the blind?
"Whoever has ears, let them hear.” ~ Jesus

"the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Whoever has ears, let them hear." ~ Jesus

Nice try.

Fail.
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:51 PM
 
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Babies are angels regardless. Angels are not condemned to hell.
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:54 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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The danger isn't real. It's completely imaginary.

Heaven and hell exist nowhere but in the human imagination.

If you have evidence that hell is real and not imaginary, then let's hear it.
You are the evidence that hell is real
"They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
Your turning from the truth to myths:
  • The danger isn't real. It's completely imaginary.
  • Heaven and hell exist nowhere but in the human imagination.
just ask your father, the LCMS pastor.
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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Nice try.

Fail.
And it's a double failure of those who are arrogantly blind and deaf

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Old 05-16-2016, 10:59 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Babies are angels regardless. Angels are not condemned to hell.
book chapter verse ... or is that your declaration?
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