Infinite Penalty Cannot Satisfy Justice (scripture, sin, Kingdom, verse)
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Fundy, that is absurd. Who the crime is done to has more bearing than what the crime was?!? If anything, it should be based on severity of the damage done. Since we cannot harm God, God should be ultimately forgiving.
But anyways:
You kill your children, you go to jail for life
You kill your wife, you go to jail for life
You kill your boss, you go to jail for life
You kill the police, you go to jail for life
You kill a judge, you go to jail for life
You kill God... um Hey wait you can't kill God. But He still forgives you for thinking about it!
See the difference between man's ways and God's ways?
See the difference between man's ways and God's ways?
Your understanding
The judge has a dispicable person infront of him who has committed every horrible crime that you can imagine as you sit in the court room hearing what this horrible person did to your loved one. You hear the judge say, "Sir you are the worst individual to come into my midst in my career as a judge, you have committed crimes which I can't even repeat and you have shown no remorse absolutely nothing even with your victim's families in this court room. You make my blood crawl so because I am a fair, just and loving judge I am going to let you go"
Ezekiel 16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
Punishment varies based on how much was given by God, not based on how eternal God is.
Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
You really need to go to church and get a right understanding of scripture. Find a good teacher.
Ezekiel 16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
Punishment varies based on how much was given by God, not based on how eternal God is.
Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matthew 25:41 Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels. 46) ''And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
The word of God is clear on the matter. Both the fallen angels and unbelieving humanity will be sentenced to eternity in the lake of fire. Those who disagree with this are in disagreement with what God has said and revealed in His word.
a fornicator is righteous? then what makes you unrighteous?
I wasn't saying she was righteous. I was saying that the instructions contained in the law were for unrighteous people to follow. They were not instructions in righteousness.
I'm taking issue with your statement "they were right to stone her". The righteous thing to do was exactly what Jesus did, since He is the Righteous One.
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I don't understand. Just what exactly is a righteous and an unrighteous? The rest you wrote I have no clue where you are coming from. The law came from Mose but grace Jesus......what...
My point is that the law did not tell anyone how to be righteous. Jesus did.
What is unrighteous and what is righteous? Jesus taught us that in the gospels.
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The law is for the proud and self righteous.
Yes, I agree. Same as saying the law is for the unrighteous.
The judge has a dispicable person infront of him who has committed every horrible crime that you can imagine as you sit in the court room hearing what this horrible person did to your loved one. You hear the judge say, "Sir you are the worst individual to come into my midst in my career as a judge, you have committed crimes which I can't even repeat and you have shown no remorse absolutely nothing even with your victim's families in this court room. You make my blood crawl so because I am a fair, just and loving judge I am going to let you go"
*chuckle*
Actually, that is exactly how I understand it!
The judge has a dispicable person infront of him who has committed every horrible crime that you can imagine as you sit in the court room hearing what this horrible person did to your loved one. You hear the judge say, "Sir you are the worst individual to come into my midst in my career as a judge, you have committed crimes which I can't even repeat and you have shown no remorse absolutely nothing even with your victim's families in this court room. You make my blood crawl so because I am a fair, just and loving judge I am going to let you go"
You are obviously missing the point. Your analogy comparing God to a courtroom judge fails tragically.
Its about forgiveness Fundy. Forgiveness and grace. No one gets off easy. But God has already forgiven ALL of us for what we have done. He's already forgiven Hitler for his horrific crimes. Do you know that?
Only an infinite punishment can satisfy an eternal God because it is an eternal offense against an eternal God. Unless you repent and receive Christ your offense stays with you and that offense is forever because God goes on forever NEVER being satified without the blood of Jesus Christ.
You lie to your children, you lose respect
You lie to your wife, you sleep on the couch or separation
You lie to your boss, you can get fired
You lie to the police, you can go to court
You lie to the judge, you can get thrown in jail
You lie to to a holy, just, eternal God, you get a holy, just eternal punishment.
Greater the authority the greater the punishment.
This is false logic. So then im, 35 years old ... If someone sins against me does that means they should pay penance for 35 years? And if someone sins against a 70 year old man should they serve 70 years of penance even if the sin against that 70 year old man is the same sin which a person has sinned against me?
Or does stealing from a state official require by true justice a greater penalty than stealing from a poor man who has little authority? This is called respect of persons.
God has made the penalty for sin, any and all of it. Only one penalty will satisfy the justice of god for sin, and that is death. Not torture, not hell, not eternal torment. Death ... Christ died in order that we might be made alive in him. And the fiery judgments of God are not about justice, they are about reconciliation and purification. They are for the purpose of teaching righteousness to those who are so judged.
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Originally Posted by Fundamentalist
They were right to stone her because that is what the law requires passed down by Moses given to him by God. This was a trap for Jesus and not having the right heart in carrying out the laws of God by that they didn't even accuse the man (it takes two to tango) furthermore yes Jesus forgave but He told her to go and sin no more. She walked away knowing her sins were forgiven and that she could live a sinless life
What do you believe she stopped sinning for the rest of her life after that? Of course not. Do you believe his she went and sinned again that Christ would all the sudden stop having mercy on her? Or would suddenly choose not to forgive her?
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