Full Preterism and Hyper Preterism is contrary to UR completely (crucified, Jesus)
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Originally Posted by sciotamicks So if you think you are a Preterist, but yet hold to the beliefs of UR, then you are not a Preterist, Full or Hyper.
"Preterism is contrary to UR completely" ?
Maybe so.
So now we know that there are four “Christian” theological systems fighting, in their own particular way, using their own particular interpretations of the scriptures, to believe in and teach others about what God will not do.
ET Arminianism, ET Calvinism, Annihilationism and Full Preterists/Covenant Creationism
And all four of them exclude part of creation from salvation, yet all four are supposedly “proven” to be based on the Bible.
Any theology that detracts from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE and teaches what God will not do instead of what God will do for everyone who needs that grace –- IMHO that theology is not worth the cyber space that it is written on.
Here is a snippet "People say that Universal Reconciliation makes a "second chance" gospel. No, no, no! We do not have a "first chance" gospel, or a "second chance" gospel. Salvation is not by "chance," it is by grace! Infinite grace! (end of quote)
Guess which theology I shall spend the rest of my life believing and teaching?
I’ve just turned 72, so the time I have left to guide people to the reasons why I believe it may not be all that long. But that’s ok, because I know the rest of my life will be joyful.
Will yours?
Last edited by rodgertutt; 11-05-2010 at 06:11 PM..
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What are you talking about? How in the world do you think one becomes born of the spirit in the first place?
By accepting the free gift. Your are all twisted up Ironmaw.
I can only imagine that you somehow missed the analogy i made about being born in the flesh and being born in the spirit.
Like i asked before, did you choose to accept to be born the first time?
What do you mean what am i talking about? I'm talking about the fact that being quickened and born again of the spirit is not about making a personal choice. Being born again just happens to you, just like being born the first time, because God chooses to have mercy on you and gives you repentance and faith so that you believe on Christ.
You just cant accept that its all about God and not about you, can you?
I can only imagine that you somehow missed the analogy of being born in the flesh and being born in the spirit.
Like i asked before, did you choose to accept to be born the first time?
What do you mean what am i talking about? I'm talking about the fact that being quickened and born again of the spirit is not about making a personal choice. Being born again just happens to you, just like being born the first time, because God chooses to have mercy on you and gives you repentance and faith so that you believe on Christ.
You just cant accept that its all about God and not about you, can you?
You have to make a choice then you are born again. Is that better?
Originally Posted by sciotamicks So if you think you are a Preterist, but yet hold to the beliefs of UR, then you are not a Preterist, Full or Hyper.
"Preterism is contrary to UR completely" ?
Maybe so.
So now we know that there are four “Christian†theological systems fighting, in their own particular way, using their own particular interpretations of the scriptures, to believe in and teach others about what God will not do.
ET Arminianism, ET Calvinism, Annihilationism and Full Preterists/Covenant Creationism
And all four of them exclude part of creation from salvation, yet all four are supposedly “proven†to be based on the Bible.
Any theology that detracts from THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE and teaches what God will not do instead of what God will do for everyone who needs that grace –- IMHO that theology is not worth the cyber space that it is written on.
THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley THE GLORIOUS “NO CHANCE†UR THEOLOGY The Outcome of Infinite Grace
Here is a snippet "People say that Universal Reconciliation makes a "second chance" gospel. No, no, no! We do not have a "first chance" gospel, or a "second chance" gospel. Salvation is not by "chance," it is by grace! Infinite grace! (end of quote)
Guess which theology I shall spend the rest of my life believing and teaching?
I’ve just turned 72, so the time I have left to guide people to the reasons why I believe it may not be all that long. But that’s ok, because I know the rest of my life will be joyful.
Will yours?
tutt,
You are not adding...you are spamming this thread with the same post.
You have to make a choice then you are born again. Is that better?
I know that is what you believe, and the scriptures teach the opposite. The bible teaches that only after one has been born of the spirit can they even comprehend the things of the spirit, such as the gospel of Christ. Until one is spiritually reborn, they are as brute beasts and think the things of the spirit are foolishness.
Like i said, you just cant accept that its all about God and his work on the cross and in our lives that saves us, and not about any work or decisions we make of ourselves, can you?
I know that is what you believe, and the scriptures teach the opposite. The bible teaches that only after one has been born of the spirit can they even comprehend the things of the spirit, such as the gospel of Christ. Until one is spiritually reborn, they are as brute beasts and think the things of the spirit are foolishnes.
I think I have to agree with this. If Jesus wasn't talking about the man's actions (which could be why he used birth to explain that spiritual principle), then the idea that the man could take action to facilitate his salvation would be an incorrect assumption.
Maybe what Jesus could be saying is if flesh births flesh and spirit does the same with spirit than a person without spirit would have a difficult time trying to produce spirit. Therefore they'd have to be "born again" by some other means other than themselves (via Jesus). JMO
:But you know what, I think that the question (if answered) that could help me undstand what Jesus was saying is whether or not spirit is required to except Jesus?
I apologize if I'm off topic. I don't really understand (full or hyper) preterism mostly because I learned Christianity thru the opposing view so it somewhat makes my head spend to think about the bible along those lines. Therefore I can't, in good conscience, add any ideas to the op.
I know that is what you believe, and the scriptures teach the opposite. The bible teaches that only after one has been born of the spirit can they even comprehend the things of the spirit, such as the gospel of Christ. Until one is spiritually reborn, they are as brute beasts and think the things of the spirit are foolishness.
Like i said, you just cant accept that its all about God and his work on the cross and in our lives that saves us, and not about any work or decisions we make of ourselves, can you?
Ironmaw....I don't question that at all...but one must be born again....what does this entail? When one confesses? Or not? Then a man is born again....Christ said...I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live, no?
There is a step process....man believes...he is born again.
Man does not, and I have never said, is responsible for his salvation. God gifts man with salvation for his belief...it is right there, in red.
That's good to know since I've never been a partial or full preterist.
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When god makes jesus "choice" in your heart
