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The serpent fed Eve that same garbage! "Only look, Eve. It's not so bad. God didn't really mean what He said. Touch it, it's all right. Now, bite it and open your eyes!"
God help us to put up a guard to the devil! Your Word is our sword! We will declare the whole counsel of God!
Eph. 6
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
[14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Why would we need our loins girt about with truth? To trample the devil underfoot with the Word of God. He's nothing but a thief and a liar!
That's a really lame comparison to what I said Finn. You're so wrapped up in your own doctrine that you can't even see the truth when it's right in front of you. If you're not going to investigate and at least try and understand what Universalists believe then you have NO RIGHT to keep spewing these non-truths about what they do or do not believe.
Seeing scripture in the light of how we percieve time which is how the words most often argued over in terms of "age / eternal" are actually used.
Everlasting is an abstract term, a period of time is an absolute term. Both are correct usages and does not present a problem against God saving all mankind at all.
You constantly talk about "all the mistranslations" because it's the only way to justify UR. Why won't you trust God and believe He's capable of keeping His Word true and free from errors?
CantWait2Leave,
This is the exact same argument I used to use with my dad. I can see how patient he was with me, now. Well, actually he yelled a bit sometimes, but he was trying to undo some brainwashing. I would say, "Dad, if God is powerful then he would not let humans tamper with his word." Exactly that.
He sent me some papers and then he just became quiet after a while. It took me 5 YEARS to finally take a look at them, and only because I was on a downward slope into darkness, self-righteousness, and hatred.
When I DID start looking, I was BLOWN AWAY! There ARE errors in the Bible. I wouldn't look because I was too afraid of losing my faith. There are MANY errors and INTENTIONAL mistranslations in the Bible. Not only that, people are interpreting MANY passages of scripture LITERALLY, when, if you REALLY thought about (which I would NOT do for many years) would make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!
This has all been rather hard to go through, but it has brought SO much freedom to my soul. I no longer grit my teeth in anger and frustration (well, kind of, when nobody listens to what I'm saying, I do---kind of hypocritical of me, I know, since I would not listen to anyone who tried to tell me about this before)
Anyway, I CANNOT go back to what I was taught. It simply doesn't match up to the truth. It doesn't. One thing I am ABSOLUTELY SURE OF: Hell in the traditional sense DOES NOT EXIST! It is the MOST unbiblical doctrine in tradition.
I am still studying the rest of UR's claims. Most of it I understand, but there are some parts I am still struggling with. I am the kind of person that wants ALL my pieces in place before I tell you the truth. I am NOT playing games. Not my forte.
No, most of them don't. It is a worry-free existance, but hiding their heads in the sand does't make Satan and hell go away.
Finn_Jarber,
There ARE evangelical Christians (pastors and pew-warmers alike) out there who DO NOT believe in the Greek mythological hell. Not many will say so, but, sometimes they come around if you bug 'em.
That's a really lame comparison to what I said Finn. You're so wrapped up in your own doctrine that you can't even see the truth when it's right in front of you. If you're not going to investigate and at least try and understand what Universalists believe then you have NO RIGHT to keep spewing these non-truths about what they do or do not believe.
You were replying to someone else, not me.
But I asked you who Satan is, and you did not answer. Is he the fallen cherub angel, the prince or Tyre, the deceiver who was thrown out of heaven?
I do not believe Satan is a literal red beast with horns and a tail, that doesn't have any bearing on whether God saving all mankind is a reality or not.
Seeing scripture in the light of how we percieve time which is how the words most often argued over in terms of "age / eternal" are actually used.
Everlasting is an abstract term, a period of time is an absolute term. Both are correct usages and does not present a problem against God saving all mankind at all.
Okay, but you never mentioned hell. Do you believe in hell but don't think it's eternal?
There ARE evangelical Christians (pastors and pew-warmers alike) out there who DO NOT believe in the Greek mythological hell. Not many will say so, but, sometimes they come around if you bug 'em.
Yes, indeed there are. You'd be surprised than in some Christian denomication over 90% of the pastors do not believe in hell, and even at Baptist church 50% of the pastors don't believe it, and therefore they do not preach it. It is a sign of the times. Satan has been working hard to convince people that such place does not exist, and that even he does not exist, or if he exists, he is a lesser being than what he really is. However Jesus said it exists, so I'll go with His word.
Yes, indeed there are. You'd be surprised than in some Christian denomication over 90% of the pastors do not believe in hell, and even at Baptist church 50% of the pastors don't believe it, and therefore so not preach it. It is a sign of the times. Satan has been working hard to convince people that such place does not exist, and that even he does not exist, or if he exists, he is a lesser being than what he really is. However Jesus said it exists, so I'll go with His word.
There's a difference between shrugging it off and putting your trust in the Living God, you know - the Savior of...?
I do not believe Satan is a literal red beast with horns and a tail, that doesn't have any bearing on whether God saving all mankind is a reality or not.
OK. That's one.
Eusebius, are you here? Do you believe Satan is the fallen angel? How about you Katlljj? Or Legoman?
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You're so wrapped up in your own doctrine that you can't even see the truth when it's right in front of you. If you're not going to investigate and at least try and understand what Universalists believe then you have NO RIGHT to keep spewing these non-truths about what they do or do not believe.
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