Your thoughts on future rail transit (Cincinnati, Springfield: sales, real estate, power lines)

[Dayton Sux]

Not sure how rail would work in Cincy. You could use one betw. downtown and the airport maybe? I guess from a transportation planning POV you'd want to connect places with high employment density to where people worked, and re-orient the bus transit around rail.

Thats what they did in Sacramento. They build a light-rail line and then reorganized the suburban bus lines to act as feeders to the LR line, which then functioned as sort of a crosstown rapid-transit line as well as a feeder line into downtown (whch had a high denisity of employment due to state government).

If a place as sprawly as Sacramento could pull off rail transit (it is around the same size as Cincy, but the older part of town is only the size of, say, Springfield, surrounded by mile upon mile of postwar suburbia) I'm sure Cincinnati could, too.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by restorationconsultant

Indianapolis in 2009 ALONE had a new population GAIN of 1.3 percent or 22,862 people. what is more important it had a "net migration" meaning people moving to the city of 7034 in 2009.

Restoration, restoration, restoration ... where do we begin ...

It is obvious that you're opinion of Cincinnati is influenced by those that want to paint a doom and gloom picture, and if your opinion of Indy is the ideal city, Cincinnati must be a Utopia.

I urge you ... please just don't talk to anyone, do your own research.

Population:

- Indy has a city-county merge (which I prefer btw, and is exactly my point on why your misunderstanding of population status throws off everything for you and the average American).

- Annexation DOES NOT equal growth physically - only financially.

Indy's city square milage is 372 square miles.
Cincinnati's is 79.
(notice any difference?)

MSA:
Indy - 1.74 Million
Cincy - 2.17 Million

That's a 428,230 difference to be exact!


Cincinnati:
2009 - 2,171,896
2008 - 2,158,643
Difference: +13,253
% = +0.6

Indianapolis:
2009 - 1,743,658
2008 - 1,720,796
Difference: +22,862
% = +1.3

There is less than a percentage in growth between these two metros!

Let's give Indy the upper-hand and pretend nothing changes ... not in one, not in two, not in three, but it'll take more than 4 DECADES (45 years) at the pace above for Indy to CATCH up to Cincy.

Here is a interesting link showing new condo construction that occurred in indy in just the last few years: http://www.indianapoliscondos.com/co...tml?id=1516190 (broken link)

Cincinnati:

Project Name Address Project Type Investment ($M)
Completion/Expected
Completion Date

(COMPLETED)
1 14th and Vine at trinity Flats 1331-1335 Vine street MIX $2.5 2009
2 724 Main 724 Main street res $1.0 2009
3 atrium two 221 e. Fourth street OFF $2.0 2009
4 the Belmain 1202 Main street res $2.7 2009
5 Central riverfront Garage 50 e. Freedom Way aCC $38.0 2009
6 City West ezzard Charles Drive res $24.0 2009
7 dunnhumbyUsa 444 W. third street OFF $17.0 2009
8 Falling Wall 1417-1421 Main street MIX $1.8 2009
9 Greensource Cincinnati 19 e. eighth street OFF $1.5 2009
10 Jeffrey & Darlene anderson
Freestore FoodBank Center
1141 Central Parkway OFF $6.5 2009
11 Lackman Lofts 1237 Vine street MIX $1.8 2009
12 Magnolia street Project 1419 elm street res $4.0 2009
13 Mercy Housing Main street res $4.0 2009
14 Mottainai 1222 republic street res $3.0 2009
15 the righteous room 641 Walnut street MIX $2.2 2009
16 rookwood Pottery 1920 race street ret $1.5 2009
17 taft Center Fifth & Walnut streets OFF $1.6 2009

(UNDER/CONSTRUCTION)
18 617 Vine street 617 Vine street res $34.5 n/a
19 the Banks riverfront MIX $600.0 2011
20 the Banks Parking Garages riverfront aCC $90.8 2010
21 Central riverfront Park riverfront Cee $100.0 2011
22 City Home 1406-1422 Pleasant street res $8.0 n/a
23 the edge Office and Design Center 310 Culvert street OFF $35.0 2010
24 Jimmy Heath House Odeon street res $3.5 2010
25 John Weld Peck Federal Building 550 Main street OFF $20.1 n/a
26 KZF Design expansion 700 Broadway OFF $6.0 2010
27 nineteen ten elm street 1910 elm street MIX $3.0 2010
28 One river Plaza riverfront MIX $143.0 n/a
29 Parvis Lofts on Vine 1415 Vine street res $10.0 2010
30 Great american tower at Queen City square Fourth & sycamore streets OFF $322.0 2011
31 Queensgate south Baymiller & W. third street OFF $25.0 n/a
32 saenger Halle 1400 Block of race street OFF $8.0 2010
33 school for Creative and Performing arts 1223 Central Parkway Cee $70.0 2010
34 seventh & Broadway Garage seventh & Broadway aCC $5.0 2010
35 trinity Flats 1326-1342 Vine street MIX $5.0 2010
36 Washington Park residential revitalization Washington Park res $8.0 2010

(PROPOSED)
37 21c Museum Hotel 609 Walnut street Cee $48.0 2012
38 Bartlett Building 36 e. Fourth street OFF $15.0 n/a
39 Beer Hall of Fame Fountain square District Cee $22.5 n/a
40 Broadway tower seventh & Broadway res $22.0 n/a
41 Casino Broadway Commons Cee $500.0 2012
42 Cincinnati Color Building 1400 Vine street MIX $14.1 2011
43 Cincinnati streetcar
*
CBD/Otr/Uptown aCC $185.0 n/a
44 e. sixth street Properties 114, 118, 122 e. sixth street MIX $13.0 2011
45 Friars’ Court - st. anthony’s Village II 1616-18, 1626-28 race street;
1623 republic street; 23 Green street
res $2.8 n/a
46 Gateway Quarter - Phase 4 1400 Block of Vine street MIX $105.0 2010
47 Germania Hall 1311 & 1313 Vine street Cee $7.0 n/a
48 Mercer Commons Vine and Walnut streets MIX $18.0 2012
49 Music Hall renovation 1243 elm street Cee $92.5 2011
50 Phelps apartment Building redevelopment 506 e. Fourth street Cee $15.0 2011
51 rothenberg Preparatory academy east McMicken avenue & Main street Cee $2.1 2011
52 terrace Hotel and residences 15 W. sixth street res $30.0 n/a
53 Washington Park Washington Park Cee $32.0 2011
54 West Fourth residential W. Fourth street res $40.0 n/a
55 Westfalen Lofts 1418-1422 race street res $3.4 n/a

*And if you're saying to yourself, "Cincy-Rise, but there are some projects that I know are planned to break ground that aren't on that list ... what gives?" ... I'd respond, "Restorationconsultant, your eyes aren't fooling you, brother!"

While Cincinnati has argued about the banks for years Indy built several "banks size ' developments. They have a better attitude about development that we in Cincinnati do.

I'm going to say this very clear and you remember this next time you, your friends and the readers of this forum raise the question ...

Indianapolis has NEVER had a project that comes anywhere near the scope of the Banks ... and won't for a long-long time.

For some reason, and I don't know why - we seem to forget what all the Banks entail?

• https://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Great American Ballparkhttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Paul Brown Stadiumhttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Fort Washington Wayhttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Riverfront Parkhttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Underground Freedom Centerhttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Riverfront Transit Centerhttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Residential Towershttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Office Towershttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Retail/restaurants/entertainmenthttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Re-routing and construction of riverfront roadshttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• FWW Capshttps://pics3.city-data.com/forum/
• Freedom Center

Hell, just the park alone will be something Indy could only dream of!




http://downtowncincinnati.com/Libraries/Downloads/2009_Annual_State_of_Downtown_Report.sflb.ashx (broken link)

[mike1003]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

4,300 people per square mile is dense enough ... besides Cincinnati already had 600 miles of streetcars and cities with much lower density are building streetcars.

And where are those 600 miles of streetcars today??


As for the OP. I believe that trains are a very civilized way to travel. We used trains all over Europe and Canada. In spite of my beliefs, rapid transit will never take hold in the mid west. The Interstate System is very developed (Yes, I know that Interstates suck, but that';s life)

[PhillytoCincy]

Originally Posted by mike1003

And where are those 600 miles of streetcars today??


As for the OP. I believe that trains are a very civilized way to travel. We used trains all over Europe and Canada. In spite of my beliefs, rapid transit will never take hold in the mid west. The Interstate System is very developed (Yes, I know that Interstates suck, but that';s life)

They are there. In fact, when you drive on some streets, including some in OTR, you can still see the tracks.

[mike1003]

And, why are they unused? Is it because it is an obsolete system?

[Wilson513]

We were overjoyed when they paved over the tracks on Erie Ave. They played he!! with our bicycle tires, old ladies would trip on them and when the new shiney diesel buses rolling on soft rubber tires at high speed made them obsolete.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by mike1003

And, why are they unused? Is it because it is an obsolete system?

Mike you almost sound clever... almost!

There is a reason why almost all large Metropolis's across the U.S. are either planning, have or are building rail transit.

Someone sounds like they need to get out of the house! ;-)

[Wilson513]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Mike you almost sound clever... almost!

There is a reason why almost all large Metropolis's across the U.S. are either planning, have or are building rail transit.

Someone sounds like they need to get out of the house! ;-)

C-R, you just have to get out of the mode of starting every post with a personal insult. You must know that it disqualifies anything you have to say. I think you are in some type of job where you have contact with the public, right? You must know this basic communication skill.

Say what you have to say. We listen. We may not agree, but at least you get your foot in the door.

[Traveler87]

Originally Posted by mike1003

And, why are they unused? Is it because it is an obsolete system?

Are you trying to answer your own question? I definatly see benefits to Cincinnati getting rail.

Do you prefer rail at all for Cincinnati? Ok, forget the streetcar, what if Cincinnati built a full out light rail system like Cleveland that stretched into the burbs. Would you support rail then?

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by wilson1010

C-R, you just have to get out of the mode of starting every post with a personal insult. You must know that it disqualifies anything you have to say. I think you are in some type of job where you have contact with the public, right? You must know this basic communication skill.

Let's look at this for a second... Is it not Mike that's making the insult here, assuming that we do not travel outside the 513 area code and are not aware that pretty much every major city is dabbling in rail right now? I'm leaning towards yes.