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Not that I'm going to go too far into "defending" East St. Louis, but its population is like 1/3rd of Gary's... So, with something like less then 27,000 people, averages/per 1,000 people listings are even harsher on an already really bad area.
Not that I'm going to go too far into "defending" East St. Louis, but its population is like 1/3rd of Gary's... So, with something like less then 27,000 people, averages/per 1,000 people listings are even harsher on an already really bad area.
they are far more meaningless.
just looking at the chart on city data:
2007 E. St. Louis had a murder rate of 102 per 100,000. The following year (2008) E. St. Louis had 55 per 100,000. That fluctuation is by almost half So did E. St. Louis get safer by a factor of 2 from 2007 to 2008? Now I don't know E. St. Louis but probably not. A couple more murders one year just shoots the rate up or down. Looking at the average, it's probably somewhere in the 60s, maybe low 70s which isn't uncommon for poor sections of larger cities. If E. St. Louis was a neighborhood in NYC (say) instead of its own separate city, almost nobody here would be talking about it
while there have been far worst pictures posted from intentionally searching for ghetto areas... this is the tourist friendly wiki picture of Fresno haha...
2007 E. St. Louis had a murder rate of 102 per 100,000. The following year (2008) E. St. Louis had 55 per 100,000. That fluctuation is by almost half So did E. St. Louis get safer by a factor of 2 from 2007 to 2008? Now I don't know E. St. Louis but probably not. A couple more murders one year just shoots the rate up or down. Looking at the average, it's probably somewhere in the 60s, maybe low 70s which isn't uncommon for poor sections of larger cities. If E. St. Louis was a neighborhood in NYC (say) instead of its own separate city, almost nobody here would be talking about it
E St.Louis is NOT i repeat NOT a part of st.louis. its in illinois. i doubt you get such detailed statistics for a neighbourhood like this.
[quote=Whatitdo?;16614187]New Orleans is the worst,IMO. Also Chicago. Some of these pictures can get disturbing.
*warning, graphic*
Cabrini-Green housing projects(Chicago)
Chicago murder scene
Abandoned street in New Orleans
South Chicago ghetto
Reading through this post, there have got to be the most ignorant and stupid people posting. European buildings in East St. Louis? And people referencing the Cabrini Green Housing project in Chicago, which has been completely torn down and replaced with mixed income housing, some of it luxury? How old are some of these pictures, and how many people have actually been to these places? The worst I have seen are North Philly, Camden, Baltimore and Atlantic City, Highland Park, MI as well as New Orleans pre-Katrina. A runner up would have to be Memphis. The south side of Chicago, although high crime in some neighborhoods, does not really look like a ghetto for the most part at all, compared to the previously mentioned places. And Gary looks like a low density, abandoned town along Broadway, the heart of the city, not some wretched Camden twin.
E St.Louis is NOT i repeat NOT a part of st.louis. its in illinois. i doubt you get such detailed statistics for a neighbourhood like this.
did I say it was St. Louis (hint, I said it was it's own city). And yes there are statistics for it. On CD too! Just go to the data page and type east st. louis?
2007 E. St. Louis had a murder rate of 102 per 100,000. The following year (2008) E. St. Louis had 55 per 100,000. That fluctuation is by almost half So did E. St. Louis get safer by a factor of 2 from 2007 to 2008? Now I don't know E. St. Louis but probably not. A couple more murders one year just shoots the rate up or down. Looking at the average, it's probably somewhere in the 60s, maybe low 70s which isn't uncommon for poor sections of larger cities. If E. St. Louis was a neighborhood in NYC (say) instead of its own separate city, almost nobody here would be talking about it
It would be by far the most crime ridden neighborhood in New York City. The neighborhood with the highest murder rate last year had 30 murders per 100,000. Then there's a large gap and the next highest is 22 murders per 100,000 with declines from there. Numbers fluctuate from year to year, but the pattern is usually similar.
Here's a photo of a crime ridden NYC neighborhood:
It would be by far the most crime ridden neighborhood in New York City. The neighborhood with the highest murder rate last year had 30 murders per 100,000. Then there's a large gap and the next highest is 22 murders per 100,000 with declines from there. Numbers fluctuate from year to year, but the pattern is usually similar.
Here's a photo of a crime ridden NYC neighborhood:
Bushwick looks absolutely nothing like that now. It still has some of the highest crime in NYC but a lot of people are moving into it these days (especially around Grove, which is ironically what's in the foreground of your picture) because it's surrounded on 3 sides by metro lines (Myrtle, Broadway, Wyckoff) and you get a lot of house for the buck.
Bushwick looks absolutely nothing like that now. It still has some of the highest crime in NYC but a lot of people are moving into it these days (especially around Grove, which is ironically what's in the foreground of your picture) because it's surrounded on 3 sides by metro lines (Myrtle, Broadway, Wyckoff) and you get a lot of house for the buck.
Yeah, I had to google image it and cruise around street-view for a while after seeing that photo, couldn't find too much that resembled close to that. From the pic I was thinking... we might have a "winner!"
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So did E. St. Louis get safer by a factor of 2 from 2007 to 2008? Now I don't know E. St. Louis but probably not. A couple more murders one year just shoots the rate up or down. Looking at the average, it's probably somewhere in the 60s, maybe low 70s which isn't uncommon for poor sections of larger cities. If E. St. Louis was a neighborhood in NYC (say) instead of its own separate city, almost nobody here would be talking about it 
