List of metropolitan areas in the United States by GMP in 2008 (Last numbers, Houston Number 4 :o) (America, population)

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Ohio248

The Bay Area and DC-Baltimore have bigger economies than Houston (or Chicago, for that matter).

But if you break down the economies to just SF-Oakland and just DC, then you are correct.

well yeah if you look at it that way, then yeah, but the bay area is not one MSA, neither is DC- Baltimore.
They should be, I don't know why the census has them separated.

CSA's are just aggregates of adjacent core based statistical areas, not as cohesive as MSA's which according to the census has:
"a high degree of social and economic integration with the core as measured by commuting ties"

[Chicago South Sider]

Originally Posted by Ohio248

NYC and Tokyo basically have the exact same economic output, so, yes, they are comparable.

Lol...Tokyo has almost 15 million more people in its' metropolitan area. Tokyo's GMP is about $250 billion higher than New York's.

Originally Posted by Ohio248

LA has a much bigger economy than Paris, and has basically three times the economy of Hong Kong.

Yet, both Hong Kong and Paris outrank Los Angeles in terms of prominence and power. Thanks for proving my point.

That was easy.

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

Oups, I was late
Interesting, I knew DC grew compared to 2008, but I thought Houston & DFW shrank a little bit.Pretty good news.

Houston & Dallas-Fort Worth have the most dynamic economies in the country for any major metropolitan area (along with Washington DC). If they shrank, then you can bet that's bad news for the American economy in general.

Houston, Washington DC, & Dallas-Fort Worth are doing great and Houston's GDP is the fastest growing in the nation by far and away, growing at the rate of 22% for a 3 year period, Washington DC is at 13%, and Dallas-Fort Worth is at 16%. Houston this year, or next year will pass up Boston by CSA (easily). By MSA it's already the 4th largest economy in the nation.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by DANNYY

Houston & Dallas-Fort Worth have the most dynamic economies in the country for any major metropolitan area (along with Washington DC). If they shrank, then you can bet that's bad news for the American economy in general.

Houston, Washington DC, & Dallas-Fort Worth are doing great and Houston's GDP is the fastest growing in the nation by far and away, growing at the rate of 22% for a 3 year period, Washington DC is at 13%, and Dallas-Fort Worth is at 16%. Houston this year, or next year will pass up Boston by CSA (easily). By MSA it's already the 4th largest economy in the nation.

I noticed that for the CSA you posted Houston's 2008 MSA numbers (which made it seem like the CSA economic output was smaller than the MSA output).

The CSA basically only adds Huntsville. do you know what Huntsville adds to mix? If it is 5Billion then Houston's CSA already has a larger output than Boston

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

I noticed that for the CSA you posted Houston's 2008 MSA numbers (which made it seem like the CSA economic output was smaller than the MSA output).

The CSA basically only adds Huntsville. do you know what Huntsville adds to mix? If it is 5Billion then Houston's CSA already has a larger output than Boston

Yeah for CSA the 2010 numbers aren't out yet. Surprisingly though Huntsville doesn't add much or anything to Houston's economic output, which I guess makes sense because Houston from MSA to CSA (after adding Huntsville to CSA) only gains 89,000 people.
Which is probably only gains in the Millions for GDP, hardly anything to help Houston grow.

But from 2008 to 2010 Houston, Washington DC, & Dallas-Fort Worth were the only ones to grow and not shrink in GDP, so the 2008 CSA numbers, Boston should also see a $1 Billion shrink there to if it did for MSA. Meaning Houston is only trailing by $5 Billion.

Houston doesn't really have a CSA either way, it only adds in Huntsville and gains 89,000 people more to its population coming from its MSA population. So basically the MSA Economic Output & CSA Economic Output for Houston, and also Miami-Fort Lauderdale will essentially be the same as their respective CSA's.

And when they release the new information this January, then it should be really close, Houston either in 2011 or early 2012 will have passed up Boston's CSA by then.

Its definitely obvious that it will surpass Boston CSA though, there cannot be any denying that to the naked eye truth. Minneapolis-Saint Paul will continue to widen its lead over Detroit as well.

[HtownLove]

Yeah, I figured that it would not add much. Huntsville is too far away anyway.

CSA's are funny things in terms of statistics.
I think that the Bay area should be an MSA and Baltimore should be with DC in an MSA and the whole CSA thing should be done away with.

The interaction with places such as Houston and Huntsville for example is too small to be of much significance.

MSA's deeper interaction works much better to give a better impression of the cohesiveness of an area

[Dncr]

Originally Posted by Ohio248

Houston will surpass Chicago in population by about 2015, and in economy by about 2020 or so. Houston will have the nation's 4th or 5th largest economy.

You do realize that's a little over 4 years from now right? Haha dementor, you are a character. Do you honestly think by "bashing" Chicago upwards of 60 times a day that any of your desires are going to come true? I don't even know if we could call it bashing since it's beyond obvious you're just making things up as you go.

Chicago may be passed up city limit wise by Houston, but never its Metro. Houston's already a catastrophic mess of sprawl...could you imagine that region sprawling to house 10,000,000 people? It wouldn't even be close to physically possible.

Stop trolling and get a girlfriend or something.

Originally Posted by HtownLove

well it already has the nations forth largest economy, and it is growing fast, but not fast enough to pass Chicago by 2015. Citywise it may pass Chicago in 25 years, and metrowise, probably over 40 years

Htown, I would think you'd know not to buy into Dementor's rhetoric. In his perfect world, a nuke would obliterate Chicagoland, leaving millions of people dead...but hey, at least Chicago wouldn't be around anymore

Dem-

Let's take a real look at this. If you hate Chicago so much, why do you spend every waking minute of your life posting on forums about the city? Why don't we take a chance to pick up some constructive hobbies...and maybe schedule some therapy appointments, they'd do you well

xoxox
Dncr

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Dncr

Chicago may be passed up city limit wise by Houston, but never its Metro. Houston's already a catastrophic mess of sprawl...could you imagine that region sprawling to house 10,000,000 people? It wouldn't even be close to physically possible.

why do you always have to be so rude where Houston is concerned? can't you get your point across just once without being to crass and tasteless?

Houston is not a catastrophic mess. I know you may be on the defensive about a City passing up Chicago, but you do not have to be so nasty about it.

Furthermore, Chicago has already been surpassed by another Sprawling city, LA.

La didn't have to Sprawl to 10M people, it developed into and passed that. Just like Houston will do in the future. You sound like a big bully picking on a younger city. Jeez man, give the city a chance to grow up.

Htown, I would think you'd know not to buy into Dementor's rhetoric.

His rhetoric sounds no worse than yours. He may post distasteful things about Chicago, but how are you any better in regards to your posts against Houston?

[adavi215]

Originally Posted by DANNYY

Renaud, they have updated it to 2010. And your list from Wikipedia is by MSA & outdated from 2008. I'll post the one for MSA & the one for CSA also for you too see.

2010 MSA Economic Output:
01 New York City: $1.25 Trillion
02 Los Angeles: $708.9 Billion
03 Chicago: $514.1 Billion
04 Houston: $407.8 Billion
05 Washington DC: $396.2 Billion
06 Dallas-Fort Worth: $384.8 Billion
07 Philadelphia: $329.5 Billion
08 San Francisco-Oakland: $306.1 Billion
09 Boston: $297 Billion
10 Atlanta: $262.7 Billion
11 Miami-Fort Lauderdale: $257.2 Billion
12 Seattle: $217.5 Billion
13 Minneapolis-Saint Paul: $192.4 Billion
14 Detroit: $190.8 Billion
15 Phoenix: $180.9 Billion

Source: http://www.usmayors.org/metroeconomies/0110/charts.pdf

2008 CSA Economic Output:
1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458

2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080

3. Washington DC-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783

4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336

5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340

6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406

7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $403.202 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $403,202

8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $383.082 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $379,863
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,219

9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $276.197 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $269,799
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,398

11. Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL Metro Area $261.263 Billion

12. Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA $236.457 Billion
Ann Arbor, MI Metro Area $17,891
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI Metro Area $200,856
Flint, MI Metro Area $11,406
Monroe, MI Metro Area $6,304

The obvious things:
-Minneapolis-Saint Paul CSA will pass up Detroit CSA.
-Bay Area CSA will surpass Chicago CSA (Later on this decade).
-Houston CSA will surpass Boston CSA (within the next year or two).
-Washington DC, Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth, & Philadelphia will continue to climb these lists. That's a given, they will be the fastest climbers and growers here. Philadelphia because it is likely to get some of its area back and new initiatives to jump start a mini boom for the economy. The signs are already evident.
-Miami will stagnate for a bit, from what I can tell (In my opinion).

Population Centers for CSA:

01. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA 22,232,494

02. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA 17,820,893

03. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA 9,804,845

04. Washington DC-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA 8,440,617

05. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA 7,609,358

06. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA 7,427,757

07. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA 6,805,275

08. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA 6,533,122

09. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA 5,968,586

10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL CSA 5,831,778

11. Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA 5,327,764

Some MSA's have seen shrinking from 2008 to 2010 though. I'll add the 2008 numbers for those to compare.

2008 MSA Economic Output:
01 New York City $ 1.26 Trillion
02 Los Angeles $717 Billion
03 Chicago $520 Billion
04 Houston $403 Billion
05 Washington DC $395 Billion
06 Dallas–Fort Worth $379 Billion
07 Philadelphia $331 Billion
08 San Francisco-Oakland $310 Billion
09 Boston $299 Billion
10 Atlanta $269 Billion
11 Miami $261 Billion
12 Seattle $218 Billion
13 Detroit $200 Billion
14 Minneapolis - Saint Paul $193 Billion
15 Phoenix $187 Billion

^ That is MSA in 2008, compare it to MSA in 2010.

2010 MSA Economic Output:
01 New York City: $1.25 Trillion
02 Los Angeles: $708.9 Billion
03 Chicago: $514.1 Billion
04 Houston: $407.8 Billion
05 Washington DC: $396.2 Billion
06 Dallas-Fort Worth: $384.8 Billion
07 Philadelphia: $329.5 Billion
08 San Francisco-Oakland: $306.1 Billion
09 Boston: $297 Billion
10 Atlanta: $262.7 Billion
11 Miami-Fort Lauderdale: $257.2 Billion
12 Seattle: $217.5 Billion
13 Minneapolis-Saint Paul: $192.4 Billion
14 Detroit: $190.8 Billion
15 Phoenix: $180.9 Billion

As you can see Washington DC, Houston, & Dallas-Fort Worth are the only ones that grew between 2008 to 2010, while all the others shrank marginally, surprisingly enough too, among the largest Metropolitan Areas they are also the ones with the healthiest economies. New York City, Boston, & Minneapolis-Saint Paul barely shrank though (very microscopic amount in literal context), and they fared well compared to their peers that took a heavy beating.

Hey DANNY, are you sure you're not confusing the GDP figures with the GMP figures? In 2008, Atlanta's GDP was 269,799 million (or 269.799 billion) and I see your cross figures cite this, but have 2010 figures at 262 billion. Has the BEA up dated their figures?

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by adavi215

Hey DANNY, are you sure you're not confusing the GDP figures with the GMP figures? In 2008, Atlanta's GDP was 269,799 million (or 269.799 billion) and I see your cross figures cite this, but have 2010 figures at 262 billion. Has the BEA up dated their figures?

Atlanta shrank. I'm out at the moment but I'll get to any questions in a few hours when I get home.