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"Prestige" is not quantifiable, and certainly an opinion. And it is your right to have one of course.
Well, based on the number of high quality establishments in the downtowns of both San Francisco and Los Angeles, the importance of the major corporations located in each, the number of high end retail and dining and hotel establishments in each, and the income levels of people who live in each downtown, I do believe that San Francisco is more prestigous than Los Angeles.
Now, Im not saying LA is not prestigous because it has many areas that are, but overall, from its downtown to its neighborhoods, SF is more so.
You are free to disagree, but I would like some reasoning.
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Basically "quality" immigrants are not in L.A. -- again, an (uninformed) opinion.
I didnt say LA doesnt have any 'quality immigrants', but overall, the Bay Area has more based on the educational attainment level of the foreign born populations and number of high income foreign born individuals
Foreign Born Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2009 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 37.2%
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside 22.2%
Foreign Born Adults with a Graduate Degree, 2009 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 15.6%
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside 7.2%
Foreign Born Residents Earning $75,000+, 2009 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 15.4%
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside 7.3%
So there are hard stats to confirm exactly what I said.
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But whatever, it's the same Bay Area snobbery that runs rampant up there (especially when the subject is L.A.), so not surprised.
Sorry, enough side tracking of this thread...
Well if this makes you feel better, then go in peace.
Now I can see why someone would want to live in Detroit or St Louis, screwed up as those places may be. But is it really worth the risk to live in Little Rock, Stockton, or Springfield, Il? Seems like an out of balance risk/reward factor to me.
St. Louis is like 2 cities. The north side is where much of the crime is. The South side has many calm, middle class neighborhoods.
I disagree with DC. I'm going to assume you probably don't live within 1,000 miles of DC. DC's bad reputation from 1991 no longer applies today. Over the past ten years, DC has become a much safer city. The bad neighborhoods in DC are completely avoidable and are mostly centered in the Northeast and Southeast sections of the city. Former murder zones in Northwest DC have completely gentrified and are extremely safe today. Also, people who mind their own business in DC and don't sell drugs or hang around in the hood late at night don't have problems. DC is the most educated big city in America. DC currently has the highest median income of any big city in the nation plus the nation's best job market, by a landslide. Because of all of the high-paying government jobs that pay double the average wage of private sector jobs, DC has definitely triumphed as the number one winning city in the economic downturn:
You are more likely to meet overpaid college-educated government workers in many parts of DC rather than gang bangers who will kill you for no reason. I feel much safer in DC than say, San Francisco because a huge percentage of the population in DC is comprised of smart level-headed, mature professionals who make a good living and not mentally-ill homeless people and gang bangers who will kill you for wearing the wrong color like SF. In fact, crime in DC has been dropping every year since its hey day as murder capital in the early 90's. Crime in DC in 2011 is the lowest it has been since the 60's:
Because of gentrification, most of DC's crime has spilled over into the inner beltway towns surrounding PG County, Maryland. However, I wholeheartedly agree that Baltimore should make the list of top five most dangerous big cities because huge sections of Baltimore are just as bad as they are portrayed on The Wire. This is coming from a 10+ year Maryland resident.
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I Still don't beleave this list , after checking again. Theres no Camden or Newark but Elizabeth is on there , Elizabeth has half the crime Newark has.....and its crime rate has been dropping over the past decade.
I disagree with DC. I'm going to assume you probably don't live within 1,000 miles of DC. DC's bad reputation from 1991 no longer applies today. Over the past ten years, DC has become a much safer city. The bad neighborhoods in DC are completely avoidable and are mostly centered in the Northeast and Southeast sections of the city. Former murder zones in Northwest DC have completely gentrified and are extremely safe today. Also, people who mind their own business in DC and don't sell drugs or hang around in the hood late at night don't have problems. DC is the most educated big city in America. DC currently has the highest median income of any big city in the nation plus the nation's best job market, by a landslide. Because of all of the high-paying government jobs that pay double the average wage of private sector jobs, DC has definitely triumphed as the number one winning city in the economic downturn:
You are more likely to meet overpaid college-educated government workers in many parts of DC rather than gang bangers who will kill you for no reason. I feel much safer in DC than say, San Francisco because a huge percentage of the population in DC is comprised of smart level-headed, mature professionals who make a good living and not mentally-ill homeless people and gang bangers who will kill you for wearing the wrong color like SF. In fact, crime in DC has been dropping every year since its hey day as murder capital in the early 90's. Crime in DC in 2011 is the lowest it has been since the 60's:
Report shows dramatic drop in D.C. crime | Scott McCabe | Local | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/report-shows-dramatic-drop-dc-crime - broken link)
Because of gentrification, most of DC's crime has spilled over into the inner beltway towns surrounding PG County, Maryland. However, I wholeheartedly agree that Baltimore should make the list of top five most dangerous big cities because huge sections of Baltimore are just as bad as they are portrayed on The Wire. This is coming from a 10+ year Maryland resident.
1. I've a DC native, born and raised in Northeast D.C.!!!!
2. According to that FBI list D.C. is indeed #4 in the top 5 for cities 500K and over. No need to beat around the bush around it.
3. Murders are up this year by over 10% and its not even summer yet. Most murders aren't random but still.
4. Robberies are very high in D.C. and most of the time its random, people get robbed in gentrified areas like U street, Columbia Heights, Petworth, and Mt Pleasant all the time!!!
5. Baltimore has some good parts, not all of the city is bad and for the most part, even its worst parts don't seen any more dangerous than DC's worst neighborhoods.
6. Youth violence is up!
7. D.C. is one city where crime and money co-exist!!! Gentrification doesn't not all crime, I can prove that fact by pulling up a police report of lets say...Columbia Heights and it'll show that there IS an increase of crime there, I live in Columbia Heights so I know what goes on.
8. Stop lying to these people on city-data, D.C. is not some perfect utopia nor it is as safe as SF, NYC, Boston. If you wanna say NW DC is as safe as those cities than sure go ahead, but the last time I checked NE and SE were still apart of DC which brings up the crime and murder rates to high levels.
Like I said before DC is #4 in terms of being the most dangerous city for a population over 500K . Yes even higher than Philly and Chicago.
I Still don't beleave this list , after checking again. Theres no Camden or Newark but Elizabeth is on there , Elizabeth has half the crime Newark has.....and its crime rate has been dropping over the past decade.
Camden is under 100,000.
It's not that hard to actually look up this info if you want to question it.
I'm going by murders and Elizabeth is safer then Newark in that dept.....it did drop in 2010 , while Newark rose according to the FBI and state. So these numbers seem off and odd...
Thank you for for your informative post. I am newbie here, please welcome to me. Thanks all.
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. Yes even higher than Philly and Chicago.
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