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The census bureau preliminary position is that NYC and Philly are indeed the same UA. The only reason why they are not "officially" the same UA, is because the MSA, CSA, and UA census numbers don't become official until 2013. Guess what, Houston's MSA and CSA numbers are not official yet too. The numbers you have so far for all of the cities is just people using the same MSA and CSA from 2000 census and just adding the population increases. The only way they'd make Philly and NYC separate is if they change the definition of what it means to be a UA different from the definition we all go by right now. And to be honest, the only way they will split the UA is simply declaring "NYC and Philly are too big to be in the same UA, so we decided to split them up."
Its funny you say NYC and Philly is different from SF/SJ situation. Too bad the census bureau does not agree with you, and specifically highlights NYC-Philly and Sf-SJ situations:
you can spin it anyway you like, call it preliminary or whatever, Philly and NY do NOR currently share the same UA
Its funny you say NYC and Philly is different from SF/SJ situation. Too bad the census bureau does not agree with you, and specifically highlights NYC-Philly and Sf-SJ situations:
It is different. SF/SJ are one CSA. NY & Ph are not. Not the same UrbanArea either.
It is different. SF/SJ are one CSA. NY & Ph are not. Not the same UrbanArea either.
well then please describe how they are not 100% connected. A reality exercise not a line on a map. There is no break in the development. I am not talking about county alignment but actual development - the real world. But that side of fence works well when need I suppose
I am not talking about county alignment but actual development - the real world.
Not quite, the concept of CSAs and MSAs are not simply a matter of counties being next to each other combining just to make cities feel bigger than they really are-in fact that isnt the purpose of MSAs or CSAs at all despite the rantings of many Philadelphia forumers. MSA and CSA borders are WAYYYYY more applicable to the 'real world' as far as connectivity and interdependence as defined by the intechange of commuters. In many cases we're talking billions of dollars in income crossing those county lines that cause you so much disdain.
Urban areas on the other hand, are based only on development, but not really how connected two cities are. They are not defined by any criteria other than built up area and their irrelevance in terms of gaging importance is very easy to prove.
Not quite, the concept of CSAs and MSAs are not simply a matter of counties being next to each other combining just to make cities feel bigger than they really are-in fact that isnt the purpose of MSAs or CSAs at all despite the rantings of many Philadelphia forumers. MSA and CSA borders are WAYYYYY more applicable to the 'real world' as far as connectivity and interdependence as defined by the intechange of commuters. In many cases we're talking billions of dollars in income crossing those county lines that cause you so much disdain.
Urban areas on the other hand, are based only on development, but not really how connected two cities are. They are not defined by any criteria other than built up area and their irrelevance in terms of gaging importance is very easy to prove.
I am talking about connected UA if you follow along. Read back Montclair
but dismiss however you like
Are you suggesting they are not connected in the 'real world' and there is connectivity. You remember the traffic and rail flow that crosses these unconnected imaginary lines on the map correct. But I guess those people dont count right and obviously dont go to work, shop, eat etc accross this line.
I agree that NY and Philly are not one place but the space in the middle is sure grey and ABSOLUTELY connected on level that could be established. again real world Montclair, not some stats aligned to try and quantify things into nice little units, even if the real world they dont work (That last part is a paraphrase from the Census, funny on your use of real world and their acknowledgment that their methodology doesnt account for the real world; you usually love their data, guess just not their reality)
on your Way more useful (the Census even states they dont work for the real world in this space) they are the one publishing the data you state is way more relevant in the real world yet tehy state the lines dont actually mirror the real world. interesting the source actually disagrees, those who actually made the rules admit they dont work in the real world here...
well then please describe how they are not 100% connected. A reality exercise not a line on a map. There is no break in the development. I am not talking about county alignment but actual development - the real world. But that side of fence works well when need I suppose
He is not going to respond because he knows that he can't prove how the area is not developed. He obviously has never drove up route 1, therefore he is ignorant about this subject matter.
Are you suggesting they are not connected in the 'real world' and there is connectivity. You remember the traffic and rail flow that crosses these unconnected imaginary lines on the map correct.
In the real world, the traffic flow between NY and Philadelphia is relatively small. You already know that based on the conversation we had in the other thread regarding highway lanes, remember?
Im surprised that you want to revisit this already well hashed out topic.
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