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The ones that come to mind for me would be:
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Detroit
I wouldn't put Philadelphia on the list given that it is one of the nations largest cities but I also greatly enjoy the time I spend in SE PA
Guys, did you look at my criteria? Especially on the first two (character/historic architecture and vibrant urban neighborhoods), do you think Atlanta scores highly? Do you think it belongs on the same level as the top tier cities that I excluded, and is head and shoulders above the rest? If yes, please provide details.
Remember guys, I am coming at it basically from a tourist perspective... If I were to tell you that I am looking for a great weekend trip, would you say that Atlanta is as interesting for a tourist as the first tier cities? If so, i would like to hear why. Thats the point of my thread, to find out if there are cities that I have previously dismissed that might be worth a look.
Guys, did you look at my criteria? Especially on the first two (character/historic architecture and vibrant urban neighborhoods), do you think Atlanta scores highly? Do you think it belongs on the same level as the top tier cities that I excluded, and is head and shoulders above the rest? If yes, please provide details.
Remember guys, I am coming at it basically from a tourist perspective... If I were to tell you that I am looking for a great weekend trip, would you say that Atlanta is as interesting for a tourist as the first tier cities? If so, i would like to hear why. Thats the point of my thread, to find out if there are cities that I have previously dismissed that might be worth a look.
Atlanta does not meet the criteria. It is not as walkable ,urban, or have that "charm". Atl is a very important city however it does not meet the criteria of this thread.
Atlanta does not meet the criteria. It is not as walkable ,urban, or have that "charm". Atl is a very important city however it does not meet the criteria of this thread.
Thanks, that's what I thought. I think people might be getting hung up on my choice of words (first tier / second tier), but in terms of what I think makes a city genuinely interesting it doesn't sound like Atlanta scores particularly high even in comparison to the second tier cities that have been mentioned (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, St Louis, etc...).
The best architecture in second tier (big) cities east of Missouri, in order:
1. Baltimore (east coast style urban architecture)
2. St. Louis (largest Victorian river city)
3. Pittsburgh / Cincy (Victorian river cities)
4. Buffalo / Detroit / Cleveland (great lakes and industrial boom architecture)
5. Toledo / Indianapolis / Richmond / Rochester (historically smaller cities that pack a punch)
Atlanta has not preserved its history.
Terrific list. Would be curious to hear what you find interesting in places like Toledo, Indianapolis and Rochester. Any interesting neighborhoods you can mention?
Terrific list. Would be curious to hear what you find interesting in places like Toledo, Indianapolis and Rochester. Any interesting neighborhoods you can mention?
Toledo has great architecture downtown, and in the Old West End and Vistula neighborhoods (as well as others). I remember Indianapolis had some really nice architecture downtown, but I did not have time to explore the neighborhoods. Most of the bigger New York state cities have amazing architecture. Rochester is the biggest outside of Buffalo.
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