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View Poll Results: Boston or New Orleans
Boston 111 59.68%
New Orleans 75 40.32%
Voters: 186. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 01-12-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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According to the list of "World Cities"; Boston is quite a few tiers above New Orleans (and many other midsized US cities too).
GaWC - The World According to GaWC 2010
The criteria covers emphasis on the global connectivity of service sectors like accountancy, advertising, and financial services there by lacking other life quality categories such as architecture, culture, history etc. of a true urban environment. It's view of each city is narrow by leaving out other categories so it is inconclusive.

Example we place cities like Dallas , Atlanta and Boston above cities like Rio, Rome and Osaka, Japan LOL These cities are more urban and culturally deep rooted I get it.

Well, if global economic connectivity is what makes a city better then local history, culture and heritage means nothing to you then.


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Then there's the densities of New Orleans vs Boston (and the pre-Katrina densities were not much better).

New Orleans
2,029 people per sq/mile
New Orleans (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Boston
12,793 people per sq/mile
Boston (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau


I'll admit that densities certainly don't tell the whole story, so let's take a look at metro areas.
You're right the above figures you just posted actually don't tell the whole story as there are some zipcode areas of New Orleans that have a much higher level of density than the over all density of Boston's 12k ppsm. However, there are zipcode areas of Boston that are higher and some of which are near or less to some of New Orleans densest core urban areas. The zipcode covers actual population where people reside since people don't live on top of the water and that the population density over a city isn't evenly distributed. Since you missed my last post I'll repost it again.


City: New Orleans, LA (density is higher as you get closer to the urban core area)
Orleans Parish, LA

70116 Zip Code:
Estimated zip code population in 2009: 25,898
Zip code population (2000): 16,688
Land area: 1.3 sq. mi.
Population density: 19,336 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70116.html#ixzz1gwGzrLSD


70115 Zip Code:
Land area: 3.8 sq. mi.
Population density: 17,100 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70115.html#ixzz1hJCjbJ12

70119 Zip Code:
Land area: 5.0 sq. mi.
Population density: 14,882 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70119.html


70113 Zip Code:
Land area: 1.1 sq. mi.
Population density: 13,798 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70113.html

Some areas not all areas of Boston are closer to the core density areas of New Orleans. However, technically some areas of Boston are less dense as some are more dense but it doesn't distribute the same level of density evenly through out the city to be more accurate.

City: Boston

Zip code 02125
Land area: 3.1 sq. mi.
Population density: 11,661 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Bos...#ixzz1jIdCjy59

Zip code 02127

Land area: 2.0 sq. mi.
Population density: 15,638 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Bos...#ixzz1jIgpmVXj

Only listed some but there's more that are denser than the over all density of Boston. New Orleans becomes more denser as you get closer towards the core. The populations in these urban areas have grown since 2000 to date even post Katrina.

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New Orleans
354,850 in city
1,235,650 in metro
New Orleans | Buildings | EMPORIS

Boston
620,535 in city
7,609,358 in metro
Boston | Buildings | EMPORIS
Rome (112) has less and Osaka (1,579) has way more buildings (and more population) than Boston (621). However, they say Rome wasn't built in a day but a "tier" is a "tier" right? Well, New Orleans and Boston wasn't built in a day either what's 88 years difference anyway compared to a thousand or two to other cities across the pound.

Last edited by urbanologist; 01-12-2012 at 07:29 PM..
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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Question? Why do people Rather visit New Orleans than Live.
I'm a ghost then.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:36 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Originally Posted by annie_himself View Post
I'm a ghost then.
I've been suspecting that for quite some time.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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Question? Why do people Rather visit New Orleans than Live.
Yes, there are many who also live there. You just have to get off Bourbon Street to know this.

Many dense residential streets like this one.

Yes, people live here too other than visitors LOL
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by urbanologist View Post
The criteria covers emphasis on the global connectivity of service sectors like accountancy, advertising, and financial services there by lacking other life quality categories such as architecture, culture, history etc. of a true urban environment. It's view of each city is narrow by leaving out other categories so it is inconclusive.

Example we place cities like Dallas , Atlanta and Boston above cities like Rio, Rome and Osaka, Japan LOL These cities are more urban and culturally deep rooted I get it.

Well, if global economic connectivity is what makes a city better then local history, culture and heritage means nothing to you then.




You're right the above figures you just posted actually don't tell the whole story as there are some zipcode areas of New Orleans that have a much higher level of density than the over all density of Boston's 12k ppsm. However, there are zipcode areas of Boston that are higher and some of which are near or less to some of New Orleans densest core urban areas. The zipcode covers actual population where people reside since people don't live on top of the water and that the population density over a city isn't evenly distributed. Since you missed my last post I'll repost it again.


City: New Orleans, LA (density is higher as you get closer to the urban core area)
Orleans Parish, LA

70116 Zip Code:
Estimated zip code population in 2009: 25,898
Zip code population (2000): 16,688
Land area: 1.3 sq. mi.
Population density: 19,336 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70116.html#ixzz1gwGzrLSD


70115 Zip Code:
Land area: 3.8 sq. mi.
Population density: 17,100 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70115.html#ixzz1hJCjbJ12

70119 Zip Code:
Land area: 5.0 sq. mi.
Population density: 14,882 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70119.html


70113 Zip Code:
Land area: 1.1 sq. mi.
Population density: 13,798 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70113.html

Some areas not all areas of Boston are closer to the core density areas of New Orleans. However, technically some areas of Boston are less dense as some are more dense but it doesn't distribute the same level of density evenly through out the city to be more accurate.

City: Boston

Zip code 02125
Land area: 3.1 sq. mi.
Population density: 11,661 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Bos...#ixzz1jIdCjy59

Zip code 02127
Land area: 2.0 sq. mi.
Population density: 15,638 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Bos...#ixzz1jIgpmVXj

Only listed some but there's more that are denser than the over all density of Boston. New Orleans becomes more denser as you get closer towards the core. The populations in these urban areas have grown since 2000 to date even post Katrina.



Rome (112) has less and Osaka (1,579) has way more buildings (and more population) than Boston (621). However, they say Rome wasn't built in a day but a "tier" is a "tier" right? Well, New Orleans and Boston wasn't built in a day either what's 88 years difference anyway compared to a thousand or two to other cities across the pound.
Wow, 11 sq Miles denser than Bostons 48 sq average, only 100% of Boston is denser than New Orleans Average.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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Wow, 11 sq Miles denser than Bostons 48 sq average, only 100% of Boston is denser than New Orleans Average.
Notice I said "some" of Boston's neighborhoods not all I could list more areas but I already made my point.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by urbanologist View Post
The criteria covers emphasis on the global connectivity of service sectors like accountancy, advertising, and financial services there by lacking other life quality categories such as architecture, culture, history etc. of a true urban environment. It's view of each city is narrow by leaving out other categories so it is inconclusive.

Example we place cities like Dallas , Atlanta and Boston above cities like Rio, Rome and Osaka, Japan LOL These cities are more urban and culturally deep rooted I get it.

Well, if global economic connectivity is what makes a city better then local history, culture and heritage means nothing to you then.




You're right the above figures you just posted actually don't tell the whole story as there are some zipcode areas of New Orleans that have a much higher level of density than the over all density of Boston's 12k ppsm. However, there are zipcode areas of Boston that are higher and some of which are near or less to some of New Orleans densest core urban areas. The zipcode covers actual population where people reside since people don't live on top of the water and that the population density over a city isn't evenly distributed. Since you missed my last post I'll repost it again.


City: New Orleans, LA (density is higher as you get closer to the urban core area)
Orleans Parish, LA

70116 Zip Code:
Estimated zip code population in 2009: 25,898
Zip code population (2000): 16,688
Land area: 1.3 sq. mi.
Population density: 19,336 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70116.html#ixzz1gwGzrLSD


70115 Zip Code:
Land area: 3.8 sq. mi.
Population density: 17,100 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70115.html#ixzz1hJCjbJ12

70119 Zip Code:
Land area: 5.0 sq. mi.
Population density: 14,882 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70119.html


70113 Zip Code:
Land area: 1.1 sq. mi.
Population density: 13,798 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zips/70113.html

Some areas not all areas of Boston are closer to the core density areas of New Orleans. However, technically some areas of Boston are less dense as some are more dense but it doesn't distribute the same level of density evenly through out the city to be more accurate.

City: Boston

Zip code 02125
Land area: 3.1 sq. mi.
Population density: 11,661 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Bos...#ixzz1jIdCjy59

Zip code 02127

Land area: 2.0 sq. mi.
Population density: 15,638 per square mile
Read more: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/Bos...#ixzz1jIgpmVXj

Only listed some but there's more that are denser than the over all density of Boston. New Orleans becomes more denser as you get closer towards the core. The populations in these urban areas have grown since 2000 to date even post Katrina.



Rome (112) has less and Osaka (1,579) has way more buildings (and more population) than Boston (621). However, they say Rome wasn't built in a day but a "tier" is a "tier" right? Well, New Orleans and Boston wasn't built in a day either what's 88 years difference anyway compared to a thousand or two to other cities across the pound.
This makes zero sense whatsoever. Yes, of course there are some zip codes in New Orleans with higher densities than those of Boston. But what does that have to do with anything? You're comparing New Orleans' most prominent zip codes against arbitrary zip codes in Boston. I really don't understand what point you're trying to prove...the major central areas of Boston are all in the 30,000-40,000 ppsm range.
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Old 01-12-2012, 09:30 PM
 
Location: So California
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70116 for 8672 people per square mile

70115 for 7341 people per square mile

70119 for 6432 people per square mile

70113 for 6982 people per square mile

I think these are closer to reality. The city population is way down since 2000, yet all your zip code examples show huge increases.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:52 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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70116 for 8672 people per square mile

70115 for 7341 people per square mile

70119 for 6432 people per square mile

70113 for 6982 people per square mile

I think these are closer to reality. The city population is way down since 2000, yet all your zip code examples show huge increases.
Yea, I'm pretty sure I pointed that out last time, but it was basically ignored.

There's a discrepancy in the numbers for the same zip codes. It's a bit funny.
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Old 01-12-2012, 10:55 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Originally Posted by OyCrumbler View Post
Weird. We're getting radically different results from the same site.

Here's the overall: //www.city-data.com/zipmaps/New...Louisiana.html for 2009 data

Here is for the zipcodes you listed

70116 for 8672 people per square mile

70115 for 7341 people per square mile

70119 for 6432 people per square mile

70113 for 6982 people per square mile

The above are all for the 2009. Looking at it further shows that the numbers for the detailed profile and overall view for 70116 are way different. Something's fishy here--I'm inclined to believe the numbers from the detailed info pages because the ones from the general zipcodes page did seem surprisingly low to me.
This was the post I'm talking about.

The numbers are all funny.
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