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Originally Posted by kidyankee764
You’re looking at a blue sky trying to tell us it’s brown if you’re saying Front Royal is 2 hours from DC. Front Royal is under an hour from my old home in Vienna and 1 hour 14 minutes from DC, right this very second. And FR is absolutely part of NoVa - fact, and backed up by sources and stats. You can’t dispute facts, so let’s not do that.
Why can’t you understand NoVa is *not* just core DC suburbs? Seriously - how can you not comprehend this?
Front Royal is out of town. That's what you still have yet to recognize. Leaving town consists of driving outside of DC 65+ miles. It's the last town of population exiting the Washington MSA to the West. There's hardly any development between Front Royal and the nearest major suburb to the East which is Gainesville, VA and about 30 or more miles away. You could fit the distance between DC to Baltimore in twice to match the distance from Washington DC to Front Royal, VA. It's in the North of Virginia, but is not a part of NOVA. You'd be better off using a place like Leesburg, VA as your point of reference, as it has more real connection to the metropolitan area. From half of the DC MSA you could drive to the Philadelphia metro area quicker than you could to Front Royal, VA.
It shows how weak your argument is, because you have to go all the way out to the boonies and mountains off I-81 to find Southern culture comparable to South Fla.
People in Front Royal and Winchester don't consider themselves to be part of NOVA. They more closely associate themselves with West Virginia and the Shenandoah Valley area. That area is also not as southern as some would believe and has a lot in common with PA as well. Its essentially the same area as Harper's Ferry, WV. The Winchester area gets pulled into the DC MSA because of commute patterns due to DC being the largest Job base for much of VA but even with that, most people commuting that way aren't commuting into DC, they are driving into other job centers in the Metro.
It takes up much of that list but it does not define southern culture in its entirety. Also, if you go north if most cores, you will be in rural areas. That includes Miami.
Not once did I suggest rural communities were solely the culture of the south. You have DC, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Miami, Houston, etc - some of the largest metros in the country.
Front Royal is out of town. That's what you still have yet to recognize. Leaving town consists of driving outside of DC 65+ miles. It's the last town of population exiting the Washington MSA to the West. There's hardly any development between Front Royal and the nearest major suburb to the East which is Gainesville, VA and about 30 or more miles away. You could fit the distance between DC to Baltimore in twice to match the distance from Washington DC to Front Royal, VA. It's in the North of Virginia, but is not a part of NOVA. You'd be better off using a place like Leesburg, VA as your point of reference, as it has more real connection to the metropolitan area. From half of the DC MSA you could drive to the Philadelphia metro area quicker than you could to Front Royal, VA.
It shows how weak your argument is, because you have to go all the way out to the boonies and mountains off I-81 to find Southern culture comparable to South Fla.
Just because you feel it’s out of town doesn’t mean it is. You’re also solely squaring in on the one community of FR, and are [conveniently] ignoring all the rural communities before it that are also a very large part of Northern VA.
Yes, they are all part of NoVa. They are also riddled with southern charm.
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Originally Posted by mpier015
People in Front Royal and Winchester don't consider themselves to be part of NOVA. They more closely associate themselves with West Virginia and the Shenandoah Valley area. That area is also not as southern as some would believe and has a lot in common with PA as well. Its essentially the same area as Harper's Ferry, WV. The Winchester area gets pulled into the DC MSA because of commute patterns due to DC being the largest Job base for much of VA but even with that, most people commuting that way aren't commuting into DC, they are driving into other job centers in the Metro.
Perhaps, but that’s like saying people from Hoboken consider themselves to live in New York, but guess what? They still live in New Jersey.
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People in Front Royal and Winchester don't consider themselves to be part of NOVA. They more closely associate themselves with West Virginia and the Shenandoah Valley area. That area is also not as southern as some would believe and has a lot in common with PA as well. Its essentially the same area as Harper's Ferry, WV. The Winchester area gets pulled into the DC MSA because of commute patterns due to DC being the largest Job base for much of VA but even with that, most people commuting that way aren't commuting into DC, they are driving into other job centers in the Metro.
This is all very true.
Which makes it funnier, because Front Royal, while country/rural in mold certainly isn't overly Southern by comparison.
South FL is pretty much the Miami metro (Palm Beach, Broward and Dade). I don’t think it even includes Martin or Monroe Counties. I also don’t think any of the big three are like Orlando.
I’ve always found Palm Beach and Broward counties to be VERY similar to Orlando/Orange County. Different perspectives I guess...
Just because you feel it’s out of town doesn’t mean it is. You’re also solely squaring in on the one community of FR, and are [conveniently] ignoring all the rural communities before it that are also a very large part of Northern VA.
Perhaps, but that’s like saying people from Hoboken consider themselves to live in New York, but guess what? They still live in New Jersey.
That's not at all the same because New York is an actual state, a legal entity with a hard boarder. NOVA is a local and cultural term just as much as it is a statistical one that has no real boarders. In fact, it was a local and cultural area before it became a statistical one. That's only if we really want to do the semantics thing.
That's not at all the same because New York is an actual state, a legal entity with a hard boarder. NOVA is a local and cultural term just as much as it is a statistical one that has no real boarders. In fact, it was a local and cultural area before it became a statistical one. That's only if we really want to do the semantics thing.
And now, it’s a statistical one, that includes the above referenced area. Full stop.
I’ve always found Palm Beach and Broward counties to be VERY similar to Orlando/Orange County. Different perspectives I guess...
How so? I admittedly know little about Orange County, but I’ve found PB and Broward to be an extension of Miami’s super wealth, materialism, ostentatious and Hispanic culture. Palm Beach County towns are housewife haven. I didn’t find that to be as common in Orange.
And now, it’s a statistical one, that includes the above referenced area. Full stop.
Its not full stop because its also a local and cultural demarcation. You are just choosing to focus on the one that makes you most comfortable for your argument, which is fine. Just call it what it is.
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