DFW Metroplex vs San Francisco Bay Area: Which metro area do you prefer? (schools, living)
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Yup. Some of these responses are head-scratchers. Having spent a lot of time in both, there’s only so much the stats will tell you. For instance, stats don’t really tell you that the suburbs, for instance, carry a lot of the water for both metros as far as diversity, dining, and entertainment, something you don’t always see in a large city. It’s a striking similarity. I would say that Dallas, as the central city, is probably more involved in the metro than San Francisco is in the Bay Area, both by stats (population share), and also in terms of how it’s visited - when I was growing up in the South Bay, SF was kinda for the tourists, and we very rarely went, where Dallas seems a bit less cliche to visit for suburban residents. Stats don’t really tell you that.
This why I said Oakland is a better idea of what inclusion and diversity looks like to many people
So because I and another mentioned the absence and LOSS of a demographic in which I am a part of ,im "throwing my race" in?
Typical. Not surprised either how you still wont address the loss and the lack of SF ability to attract more black and Latino residents which was my whole point about Dallas eing more attractive because it attracts EVERYONE.
You are ignoring that very important fact and making this about something never said as if i thing "black is the only race" .
I just find it remarkable how you can decree that pretty much the absence and forced removal of a minority population that was as high as almost 14% in SF down to barely 5% when the national average is around 14% today is acceptable and not worthy of note.
I dont live in Dallas or SF so I do have any dog in this fight but im not blinded by what I see.You are so busy checking off boxes in the race category to see that every racial group has a far better overall quality of life in Dallas than SF. Not just 2 races in SF.
If you were truly open to diversity then you would understand and recognize the need to do more to keep all of SF diversity is what truly matters but instead you are stuck in a delusions about a SF that is not what it once was and is becoming less of it every day as more minorities(NOT JUST BLACK) are leaving and no more are coming back.
SF is a city for snobs that can make all kinds of progressive and liberal gestures that are no more than superficial as its homeless population in one of the wealthiest metros in the world is EXPLODING
Most of them are by far minorities.
All Montclair can show is a few stats that show where blacks who are in a bracket where they make up less than .5% of the population with those high incomes in a city that is the if not the most expensive but one of the most expensive in North America is somehow proof SF is good for blacks when there are articlesand facts everywhere that talk about the blacks,women and Latinos in high tech fields.
LOL. I cant even believe he tried that.I know he loves numbers and yet wont show those stats as I know he has seen them.
Just delusional.I bet yall dint even know some of the stuff I posted about those gentrified neighborhoods and their histories but you claim the city is diverse but has wiped away almost any trace of one group of people with no new residents from these communities to keep them alive.
Oh nut for me its all about race?No its all about fairness and inclusion. Not a BUZZWORD that you and others in SF seem to like hear but dont like to see it.
Ignoring thos makes you as complicit as any true racist
I'm sorry that you feel that way. Your entire rant was about ONE race and I understand that for YOU and potentially some other black folks SF sucks. SF gained population and has a larger proportion of minorities overall and is doing fine. Since the turn of the century, the White & Black percentage has shrunk with the Asian & Hispanic percentage growing. Sorry, it's not your cup of tea. SF might be leading in this trend (not sure of the facts here) but Black people fleeing large northern cities isn't unique to SF. It's more of a national trend in general with socioeconomics pushing folks on the lower bracket out of many larger cities. SF had the most drastic change so I can assume that had something to do with it especially a large amount of Black folks that were in the lower income bracket as well as a smaller % of STEM graduates.
Just looking online, I see that 50% of Oakland-Berkeley live in Zip Codes that are 10,000+ppsm and this is one contiguous cluster of zip codes at that.
Total Population: 271,435
Population Per Sq Mile: 14,530
Size of Contiguous Cluster in Sq Miles: 18.68
Oakland-Berkeley has 18.68 connected sq miles that have 10,000+ppsm. Does The 7M DFW have a comparably or larger sized cluster of population density like that?
Does San Francisco have anything like the urban density of Dhaka? No. Does that mean San Francisco isn't as livable as Dhaka?
I can't tell you how many people in places like Hong Kong want to move out of Hong Kong so they can drive their own car, have their own backyard, and not pay sky high real estate prices.
Yes California was the place to be. They voted for Regan back in 1980. There are twice as many posters fro. DFW here than the Bay Area and the Bay area is still winning by a long shot.
On City Data the metros with the most posters are #1 Atlanta, #2 DFW and #3 Houston. So all polls and opinions are going to be biased towards these 3 cities.
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Originally Posted by MrJester
Couldn't the same have been said about California back when it was booming, in the 1970s or 1980s? People were fleeing more expensive, liberal East Coast states for relatively conservative, cheap California?
Does San Francisco have anything like the urban density of Dhaka? No. Does that mean San Francisco isn't as livable as Dhaka?
I can't tell you how many people in places like Hong Kong want to move out of Hong Kong so they can drive their own car, have their own backyard, and not pay sky high real estate prices.
Couldn't the same have been said about California back when it was booming, in the 1970s or 1980s? People were fleeing more expensive, liberal East Coast states for relatively conservative, cheap California?
That's not quite how it went. Set it to 1970 and 1980. People from all over the US came in large numbers to California and the East Coast states weren't particularly notable in numbers. There were a lot of southerners, midwesterners, southwesterners, etc.
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You were just bragging about high density in a place called Frisco or wherever a few pages ago and now when asked for more detailed info...you go all Dhaka lol why?
Anyhow, based on your description we probably arent as urban as Frisco, TX, but I love Oakland's urban feel:
No one's denying that Stanford is superior to SMU for those who want to go into cutting edge research or work for FANG tech companies.
BUT what about for the vast majority of Comp Sci/engineering undergraduates who just want to learn the material well and get a job at any company, not necessarily a prestigious company? Does it really matter if they went to Stanford vs. SMU?
Tell me, are Stanford undergraduate Comp Sci classes any harder/more rigorous than SMU undergrad Comp Sci classes?
Is the average employer whose name is not Google, Amazon, or Facebook really going to prefer a Stanford undergrad in C.S. over a SMU C.S. undergrad, if the SMU guy aces the interview questions, has a solid portfolio of projects, and has a high GPA?
In your hypothetical is the Stanford undergrad in CS not also acing the interview questions, has a solid portfolio of projects, and has a high GPA? I mean, if it's apples to apples, then yea, it's quite likely they'll opt for the Stanford candidate for a variety of reasons.
Also, Stanford is definitely not the only great or even good CS program in the Bay Area. Berkeley has a great one and Berkeley has a massive student population. San Jose State also has a fairly good one, though not top tier the way Berkeley and Stanford are.
Also, if you were going for a CS undergrad degree in a DFW school, I believe the program at UT-Dallas is the better one. SMU would be the lesser choice for CS unless they offered you a particularly good package or there was a very particular field of study that faculty there was undertaking and you wanted in on that.
CS-related jobs are also among the few high-paying jobs that you can get from showboating without a degree or a wealthy / connected background. It's rare-ish, but much more common than in either high-paying white collar professions.
In your hypothetical is the Stanford undergrad in CS not also acing the interview questions, has a solid portfolio of projects, and has a high GPA? I mean, if it's apples to apples, then yea, it's quite likely they'll opt for the Stanford candidate for a variety of reasons.
Also, Stanford is definitely not the only great or even good CS program in the Bay Area. Berkeley has a great one and Berkeley has a massive student population. San Jose State also has a fairly good one, though not top tier the way Berkeley and Stanford are.
Also, if you were going for a CS undergrad degree in a DFW school, I believe the program at UT-Dallas is the better one. SMU would be the lesser choice for CS unless they offered you a particularly good package or there was a very particular field of study that faculty there was undertaking and you wanted in on that.
CS-related jobs are also among the few high-paying jobs that you can get from showboating without a degree or a wealthy / connected background. It's rare-ish, but much more common than in either high-paying white collar professions.
Jester has drunken the southern Kool-aid. You can throw all kinds of stats and facts at him and he'll still flip.
You can't compare Stanford with smu. There's such a big gap there (outside of Texas) that it's really not worth going down that path. It's like comparing Alabama to Duke.
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This is spot on!!
