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well NY and Chicago are the only two cities that have a combination of dense urban suburbs, hundreds of suburbs built around rail stations, wealthy beachfront/waterfront suburbs, suburbs that are a bit ghetto (Newark/Gary), WASP suburbs, Jewish suburbs etc. post-war suburbs(levittownish) posh suburbs and cheesy suburbs (for Chicago, think Risky Business/North Shore vs. Married With Children/Schaumburg).
Wasn't being defensive, I was being offensive as in football
I suspect NYC has far more Jewish suburbs and far less WASP suburbs. WASP suburbs exist but they're hard to find.
I think the biggest difference is the scenery. To me the NY metro is way prettier and scenic esp Northern NJ, Connecticut and the Eastern part of LI.
The most scenic part IMO is the mainland NY state / Hudson Valley portion. Rolling hills, some older towns, and even small mountains overlooking the Hudson. Far better than CT, IMO.
The most scenic part IMO is the mainland NY state / Hudson Valley portion. Rolling hills, some older towns, and even small mountains overlooking the Hudson. Far better than CT, IMO.
Yes that too. Going up the Hudson on both sides is very scenic.
They're not comparable, the areas directly outside of NYC would be large urban metros in their own right, if not for their proximity to NYC. North Jersey alone could compete with the entirety of chicagoland in both size and urbanity. The suburbs of Chicago are relatively well known, places like Evanston and cicero, and is overall a more well defined entity than NYC's suburbs. However, NYC's burbs are on an entirely different scale in almost every aspect. Places like Yonkers, SI, LI, and the much smaller sister city in Jersey City and its burbs which create a tri-state metro, an entirely different and incomparable dynamic, than what is present in chicagoland.
One other thing, because of geography and the size: the different sections of NYC suburbia feel more separated. NYC is a big traffic chokepoint, so it's difficult to get to suburbs on the other side, and for Long Island, one has no choice but to go through. Going around the city can be clumsy, and the distances are large. And each region has a large enough population that they form separate identities. Chicago seems like it's easier to go to different suburban regions.
As someone from NY looking to move to Chicago, I am interested as well.
Im used to the Northeast style suburbs like PCH refers to and the very Italian areas. Where are the places to get Italian food in Chicago in the suburbs? Because its to my understanding that Italians left the city decades ago. You go to NYC or Philly, and Italians are still very much a part of the identity of the city, historically, culturally, foodwise, etc.
I know Chicago has a large Italian population, but whenever im there I cant "find it"?
Chicago's little Italy is in the north, Harlem and Addison. However Italians in Chicago are nothing like NYC's Italian population that fills the five boros with countless pizzerias and restaurants.
They're not comparable, the areas directly outside of NYC would be large urban metros in their own right, if not for their proximity to NYC. North Jersey alone could compete with the entirety of chicagoland in both size and urbanity. The suburbs of Chicago are relatively well known, places like Evanston and cicero, and is overall a more well defined entity than NYC's suburbs. However, NYC's burbs are on an entirely different scale in almost every aspect. Places like Yonkers, SI, LI, and the much smaller sister city in Jersey City and its burbs which create a tri-state metro, an entirely different and incomparable dynamic, than what is present in chicagoland.
I agree. Again density of population in north east dictates that NYC suburbs are much more urbanized than Chicago's: they simply had a 100 years head start on Windy City. Remember, although not a NYC suburb, Philly is just an hour away and places like Hoboken or Gutenberg are as dense as Manhattan. Its a totally different scale and that's why any comparisons are doomed.
I think the biggest difference is the scenery. To me the NY metro is way prettier and scenic esp Northern NJ, Connecticut and the Eastern part of LI.
Yup. The ocean and the fact that north east is far from flat makes a big difference. Also, you can't compare prairie and artificial forest preserves to naturally wooded areas.
Yup. The ocean and the fact that north east is far from flat makes a big difference. Also, you can't compare prairie and artificial forest preserves to naturally wooded areas.
On the other hand, there's nothing in the NYC metro area like the Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore. Which does have prairie, along with natural forests and eight other habitats. IMO it's difficult to compare the two metros on almost every level.
On the other hand, there's nothing in the NYC metro area like the Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore. Which does have prairie, along with natural forests and eight other habitats. IMO it's difficult to compare the two metros on almost every level.
acre for acre, the Indiana Dunes have the greatest biodiversity in the country.
"The Indiana Dunes has 1,419 species in an area of approximately 15,000 acres and is fourth in Biodiversity, under the Great Smoky Mountains (1,581), the North Cascades (1,567), and the Grand Canyon (1,474), all of which have over half a million acres. "
It is truly an amazing place, and the Dunes can reach up to well over 100 feet tall.
And speaking of the Dunes the suburbs near the Dunes extend almost 50 miles to Michigan City. For people in that area, the far northern suburbs like Kenosha are a a 2 hour drive (without traffic). Chicagoland, especially at it hugs the lake is a monster.
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