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There is no land for that. Single family homes are coming to an end because regions are out of land. Even the suburbs in DC are focused on urban development around metro. Now, I know we are an anomaly in DC because even our suburbs have subway stations to build around but that is our reality here. The whole region is building around metro stations north, south, east, and west.
You should really travel more(or at least do more research) if you call those subway stations and think they are an anomaly.
You should really travel more(or at least do more research) if you call those subway stations and think they are an anomaly.
Subway stations in the suburbs with headways of 6 or less minutes throughout the day are an anomaly in America. What city has those headways which is needed to spur mixed use office development along with retail to provide jobs and vibrancy? Cities just don't have that level of service outside of the city proper.
Most development is mainly residential focused in almost all cities outside the city proper around commuter rail because the headways aren't adequate for commuting as an office hub unless that is your last option or you love transit.
What city are you referring to? What are the headways and how far are those stations from downtown?
Last edited by MDAllstar; 11-21-2016 at 05:36 AM..
Subway stations in the suburbs with headways of 6 or less minutes throughout the day are an anomaly in America. What city has those headways which is needed to spur mixed use office development along with retail to provide jobs and vibrancy? Cities just don't have that level of service outside of the city proper.
Most development is mainly residential focused in almost all cities outside the city proper around commuter rail because the headways aren't adequate for commuting as an office hub unless that is your last option or you love transit.
What city are you referring to? What are the headways and how far are those stations from downtown?
In the US, the closest would be interlined parts of BART and interlined parts of the most frequent commuter rail lines. In terms of sheer distance covered, NYC subway lines can arguably count (though completely within the vast city boundaries. Maybe PATH and PATCO trains.
Subway stations in the suburbs with headways of 6 or less minutes throughout the day are an anomaly in America. What city has those headways which is needed to spur mixed use office development along with retail to provide jobs and vibrancy? Cities just don't have that level of service outside of the city proper.
Most development is mainly residential focused in almost all cities outside the city proper around commuter rail because the headways aren't adequate for commuting as an office hub unless that is your last option or you love transit.
What city are you referring to? What are the headways and how far are those stations from downtown?
DC metro is more of a hybrid system. Suburban stations are not underground. The 6 minute headways while impressive, are only during rush hour, and/or on interlined routes. Most of metro is barely what could be considered rapid transit during mid-day nights and weekends. Every major city has rapid transit that extends to its suburbs, many despite having larger city boundaries than DC.
DC metro is more of a hybrid system. Suburban stations are not underground. The 6 minute headways while impressive, are only during rush hour, and/or on interlined routes. Most of metro is barely what could be considered rapid transit during mid-day nights and weekends. Every major city has rapid transit that extends to its suburbs, many despite having larger city boundaries than DC.
The red line has 6 minute headways all day except late evenings. That covers TOD in Silver Spring, Bethesda, Twinbrook, Wheaton, White Flint, and Rockville which all have large office workforces. The Rosslyn-Ballston corridor also has that level of headways with Orange and Silver lines going through there. The Crystal City-Huntington corridor also has that level of headways with blue and yellow lines and Potomac Yards will be a beast.
The reality is not really about subway lines though. It's about the suburban jurisdictions ability to build mixed-use downtowns around transit and provide lots of jobs in those downtowns and there aren't many examples of this with high capacity transit access outside of DC which has more to do with the design of metro being superior with a one seat ride for transit oriented development.
The only reason people ride transit is for convenience. One seat rides with high frequency is the only way to do that giving people the ability to live without a car even in the suburbs also providing other ways to get around the TOD like Capital Bikeshare.
Last edited by MDAllstar; 11-21-2016 at 06:20 AM..
In the US, the closest would be interlined parts of BART and interlined parts of the most frequent commuter rail lines. In terms of sheer distance covered, NYC subway lines can arguably count (though completely within the vast city boundaries. Maybe PATH and PATCO trains.
NYC is a different beast; however, DC's suburbs operate very different in comparison to NYC suburbs. TOD with office jobs is not common outside of NYC like it is with DC TOD. BART is a good example and the Bay has the ability to build the same way as the DC region; however, for some reason they have chosen not to for the most part.
The red line has 6 minute headways all day except late evenings. That covers TOD in Silver Spring, Bethesda, Twinbrook, Wheaton, White Flint, and Rockville which all have large office workforces. The Rosslyn-Ballston corridor also has that level of headways with Orange and Silver lines going through there. The Crystal City-Huntington corridor also has that level of headways with blue and yellow lines and Potomac Yards will be a beast.
The reality is not really about subway lines though. It's about the suburban jurisdictions ability to build mixed-use downtowns around transit and provide lots of jobs in those downtowns and there aren't many examples of this with high capacity transit access outside of DC which has more to do with the design of metro being superior with a one seat ride for transit oriented development.
There are a million examples.
Boston- Cambridge, Somerville, Quincy etc.
(300sqm)NYC- Jersey city, Newark, North Jersey.
(135sqm)Philly-Delco, The Mainline, Norristown, Jenkintown, Camden.
(133sqm)Atlanta- Sandy Springs
(227sqm)Chicago- Cicero, Evanston
SF Bay Area- BART is the exact same type of hybrid system as DC metro, so there is probably a ton of examples.
LA area- I'm sure has examples, but you get the point.
NYC is a different beast; however, DC's suburbs operate very different in comparison to NYC suburbs. TOD with office jobs is not common outside of NYC like it is with DC TOD. BART is a good example and the Bay has the ability to build the same way as the DC region; however, for some reason they have chosen not to for the most part.
Right, NYC is a much better beast, agreed.
NYC's suburbs going north into upstate or Connecticut or west to New Jersey do get a lot of mixed-use/tod going on, though far less so going east to Long Island. There are several major back office operations outside of NYC proper and likely far more than the DC area has.
DC isn't that qualitatively different from a lot of the other cities mentioned with decent mass transit systems, though that's like maybe a half dozen cities or so in the US.
NYC's suburbs going north into upstate or Connecticut or west to New Jersey do get a lot of mixed-use/tod going on, though far less so going east to Long Island. There are several major back office operations outside of NYC proper and likely far more than the DC area has.
DC isn't that qualitatively different from a lot of the other cities mentioned with decent mass transit systems, though that's like maybe a half dozen cities or so in the US.
Not sure on the sq footage. N Jersey alone is about 250M sq ft if you add in NY and CT its probably closer to 550-600M outside of the city
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