Seattle vs Dallas which city do you prefer?

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

True that every city has pricy areas but the difference between Seattle and DFW is DFW has alot more lower income areas than Seattle which tends to drag down the average & median home values... This is because DFW has more in the way of blue collar industries in general and is not heavily catered to one specific industry devoted to high salaries. But when comparing similar areas in terms of affluency where between Seattle and DFW would consider living between, Dallas is actually not much more affordable than Seattle in housing costs when comparing apples to apples.

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Sure, but the question isn’t why. It’s which is cheaper. I’ll also add that DFW has way more sprawl which contributes to land availability that allow it to be the cheaper metro as another reason.

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

IDK what to say on Sports, Dallas is also a very sports centric city.

Cowboys fans are “intense” sure. Seahawks fans are also intense. Outside of the Cowboys, the Mavs, Rangers and Stars are decent but surely not on the level of the Seattle counterparts (. FC Dallas fans are among the most quiet in the league even when they were good last year (Sounders might be the most intense in the MLS).

In contrast, Seattle fans are loud and proud accross the board.

I’m sticking to Seattle comfortably winning that one. It’s not Philly but it’s a tier over Dallas.

[Gaylord_Focker]

Originally Posted by mhays25

The Seahawks and Mariners both made the playoffs last year, and both seem to be on upward trajectories. The Kraken are good this year. Husky football is also doing well. Do they really stink? The Sounders and Storm have each won multiple recent championships.

Husky football got lucky in their bowl game. Mariners have been bad for years, Seahawks may have caught lightning in a bottle. Point is, I think the down years may be why Camaro thought Dallas had the better sports culture.

[blaserbrad]

Originally Posted by yadigggski

Spot on with this. Maybe it's different for other places in the south but Dallas/Houston/SA are all like this, especially the middle-upper middle class suburbs. Inner city of Austin not so much but maybe WilCo is different. Central Austin is VERY white and asian around UT. The inner cities have pockets (Hispanic - North/East Houston- SE/West Dallas- West/South SA) (Black - South/NE Houston, South Dallas, East SA) (White - West Houston, North Dallas, North SA) but if you got to restaurants/bars/etc you'll still see diversity. The suburbs are where I see the most mixed diversity IMO.

Haven't spent much time in Seattle but my 2 cents.

-COL: Dallas
-Food: Dallas
-weather : Dallas
-education: no idea... toss up?
-economy: close but Dallas
-architecture: Tie. maybe slight edge to Seattle.
-diversity: Dallas
-sports culture: Dallas
-scenery: Seattle
-outdoors activity: Seattle
-shopping: Dallas
-who has the worse traffic: Seattle
-transit: no clue... tie
-Best overall QOL: Dallas

Transit? No. Seattle is far ahead on Dallas on that front. I wanted to take a look around Dallas though and I was surprised to find some neat areas that are densifying and increasing transit.

Bishop Arts District across river from downtown. Has a street car line, pretty close to (light?) rail stations. Reminds me of an area in First Hill Seattle.
Dallas: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7492...192?authuser=0

First Hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6066...7i16384!8i8192

This street reminds of White Center in SW Seattle
Dallas:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7431...192?authuser=0

White Center:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5164...7i16384!8i8192



This whole area (Harwood District?) in Dallas has an SLU vibe complete with an Olive street (way) and a Starbucks reserve lol



Dallas: https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7919...192?authuser=0

SLU Seattle:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6168...7i16384!8i8192


The gayborhood in Dallas could use some love though. I really tried to find a good angle. Yikes. Looks like there's been some new development there however, they have above ground parking garages in the center and are soulless super blocks. Seattle looks like Rome compared to this.
Oak Lawn Dallas:

(rainbow crosswalk area) https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8110...192?authuser=0

New developments in Oak Lawn:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8105...192?authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8132...656?authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8085...192?authuser=0

Capitol Hill Seattle:

(rainbow crosswalk area)
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6141...7i16384!8i8192

New developments in Capitol Hill:
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6182...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6151...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6187...7i16384!8i8192


And just for fun suburb/ 2nd cities comparisons Frisco & Bellevue. Both have a high Asian population, tech presence, a large lake, and they are both wealthy.


Lakefront Frisco

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1279...192?authuser=0


Lakefront Bellevue

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6077...7i16384!8i8192


Urban area by stadium Frisco
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1090...192?authuser=0

Closest comparison Bellevue Downtown Park?
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6119...!7i7296!8i3648


Mcmasions with water feature Frisco
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1227...192?authuser=0


Larger affluent homes with view of natural water feature (Lake Washington), skylines, and mountains. Sorry I was searching for a long time in Frisco and it's just not that photogenic..
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5610...7i16384!8i8192

Not sure if Frisco has a "downtown". it appears to be pretty decentralized but urbanizing 'if you can call it that' is popping up in several different neighborhoods. Here is one example.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1159...192?authuser=0

Bellevue has many examples of this but has limited its highrises to the downtown area. The Spring District outside of downtown is an interesting example of decentralized urbanization in Bellevue.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6212...7i16384!8i8192

Now for the second cities.. Fort Worth & Tacoma
I had difficulty finding a 360 view that incorporated the layers of this skyline for Fort Worth. It looks pretty clunky from most angles. I was surprised to find how urban the city actually is though. Not that it's amazing but I thought it would have a lot less urbanity. It looks and seemingly feels about 2-3x bigger than Tacoma proper. It also has the DART connecting it to the rest of the metro area, when Tacoma only has a street car, the sounder commuter rail (only runs at commuting hours), and busses. Tacoma will receive light rail service though and does have pretty decent bus/ rapid service in many of it's neighborhoods. Fort Worth appears to have a few distinct and relatively urban neighborhoods and the fabric of this city seems better connected and more walkable than Dallas or at least on par with. I was also surprised to find old layers of the city that hadn't been demolished for parking or highways. The park system seems great, museums, riverfronts, botanic gardens. Tacoma parks would be hard for most cities to compete with and is my preference but Fort Worth has done outstanding in this department. Especially considering where it's located.. Both cities punch above their weight in museums as well. I'm now curious about Fort Worth, is it underrated? Culturally it does have that god fearing element, with an abundance of churches that scream bigotry so that's concerning as is being located in Texas, but aside from that it may have more to offer for someone like myself than I thought.
Tacoma is by far one of the most diverse medium/ large cities in the PNW but it appears that Fort Worth has a higher Latino and Black population. Tacoma does have a higher mixed race, Asian, and Indigenous population percentage though. The cities are almost the same as far as educated population goes with Tacoma leading by a bit. They are also nearly identical with median household income and poverty rate.

Fort Worth skyline
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Su...jh1?authuser=0

Tacoma skyline
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2453...!7i8192!8i4096

Downtowns

Fort Worth
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7555...192?authuser=0

Tacoma
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2450...7i16384!8i8192

Fort Worth
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7557...192?authuser=0

Tacoma
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2564...7i16384!8i8192

Urban Districts outside of downtown

Stockyards Fort Worth
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7888...192?authuser=0

Stadium District Tacoma
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2629...7i16384!8i8192

Near Southside Fort Worth (eclectic/ entertainment district)
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7306...192?authuser=0

6th ave Tacoma (eclectic/ entertainment district)
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2554...7i16384!8i8192

Clearfork Fort worth (new urbanism)
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7085...000?authuser=0

Point Ruston Tacoma (new urbanism)
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3001...!7i8704!8i4352

Iconic landmarks
Fort Worth Water Gardens
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7477...304?authuser=0

Tacoma Narrows Bridge
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2689...!7i8192!8i4096

Parks
Ft Worth Botanic Gardens
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7409...352?authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7468...192?authuser=0

Tacoma Point Defiance Park
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3045...7i12000!8i6000

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3174...!7i8704!8i4352

[Gaylord_Focker]

I used to go to that downtown park in Bellevue everyday. So cool. I lived in DT Bellevue. You can walk everywhere.

[mike0421]

In the past 4 years, I've been to both Lumen Field as well as AT&T stadium to watch my beloved NY Giants to get smacked in both games. If you are rating the fans, and the passion, (it was mentioned earlier in another post on this thread) the Seahawks skate circles around the Cowboys fans. This might be considered somewhat controversial, but it was from my own observation.

Traffic: the cluster between Dallas and Forth Worth is less managable in my experiences than the worst I-5 can offer around Mercer St exit, which is a big chokepoint.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by mike0421

In the past 4 years, I've been to both Lumen Field as well as AT&T stadium to watch my beloved NY Giants to get smacked in both games. If you are rating the fans, and the passion, (it was mentioned earlier in another post on this thread) the Seahawks skate circles around the Cowboys fans. This might be considered somewhat controversial, but it was from my own observation.
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And not just that. In any other comparison (Mariners vs Rangers, FC Dallas Vs Sounders), Seattle has the clear more passionate fanbase.

[mike0421]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

And not just that. In any other comparison (Mariners vs Rangers, FC Dallas Vs Sounders), Seattle has the clear more passionate fanbase.

Also, just remembered 3 years ago, during the pandemic, took on a Seahawks game against the Vikings in an old school pub in the Fremont-Wallingford section. It was called the Dock Sports Bar and Grill. My gosh, I felt like I was back in the northeast. A real throw back shot and beer bar with passionate Seahawks fans crowding the bar. Just a real blue collar, down home local experience.

[yadigggski]

Originally Posted by blaserbrad

Fort Worth skyline

Not many good natural view points since DFW is pretty flat, but these are the best skyline spots i know of in Fort Worth. The first spot on a really good day and a long lens, you can get the Dallas + Fort Worth skylines in the same picture.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7848...192?authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7818...192?authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8382...192?authuser=0

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7456...192?authuser=0

[Bailey340]

They both have major issues, but I think Seattle is better at least for the scenery. A lot of green and trees. The weather is better in Seattle too.