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Old 03-18-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Oh so in other words, the OP postured the thread to favor DC as much as possible? Haha surprise surprise:-)

What do you mean? How does including BRT systems favor D.C.? The whole world build's Gold Standard BRT Systems and only American cities have issues meeting this level of service. As someone whose worked in transportation for 30 years, I applaud D.C. for its progressiveness (for an American City atleast) to take lanes from cars making a truly world renowned BRT system.

The rest of the cities in America could learn a lot from D.C. when it comes to transit. Promoting the car isn't sustainable and the love affair with it has to end in this country for us to survive as a nation. D.C. is on the leading edge of 21st century TOD and rapid mass transit in America.

 
Old 03-18-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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Is the Orange Line in L.A. considered "gold standard" BRT? It's pretty train-like....
 
Old 03-18-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Is the Orange Line in L.A. considered "gold standard" BRT? It's pretty train-like....

No, it's Bronze.
 
Old 03-18-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Is the Orange Line in L.A. considered "gold standard" BRT? It's pretty train-like....
Here is the criteria:

http://www.itdp.org/documents/201105..._Report-HR.pdf

A total score of 85 or above classifies a BRT system as gold; 70 to 84 as silver; and 50 to 69 as bronze.

Last edited by TransitAdvocate; 03-18-2014 at 02:08 PM..
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:10 PM
 
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[SIZE=3]Service Planning Max Score[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Off-vehicle fare collection 7[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Multiple routes use same BRT infrastructure 4[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Peak period frequency 4[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Routes in top 10 demand corridors 4[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Integrated fare collection with other public transport 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Limited and local stop services 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Off-peak frequency 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Part of (planned) multi-corridor BRT network 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Performance-based contracting for operators 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Enforcement of right-of-way 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Operates late nights and weekends 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Operational control system to reduce bus bunching 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Peak-period pricing 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Infrastructure[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Bus lanes in central verge of the road 7[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Physically-separated right-of-way 7[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Intersection treatments (elimination of turns across the busway and signal priority) [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]4[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Physically-separated passing lanes at station stops 4[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Stations occupy former road/median space (not sidewalk space) 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Stations set back from intersections (100 feet min) 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Stations are in center and shared by both directions of service 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Station Design and Station-Bus Interface[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Platform-level boarding 5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Buses have 3+ doors on articulated buses or 2+ very wide doors on standard buses 4[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Multiple docking bays and sub-stops ( separated by at least half a bus length ) 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Quality of Service and Passenger Information Systems[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Branding of vehicles and system 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Safe, wide, weather-protected stations with artwork ( >/=8 feet wide ) 3[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Passenger information at stops and on vehicles 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Integration and access[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Bicycle lanes in corridor 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Bicycle sharing systems at BRT stations 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Improved safe and attractive pedestrian access system and corridor environment 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Secure bicycle parking at station stops 2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Total Possible Points 100[/SIZE]
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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BRT is bus, this thread is about rail.
I never said this was about rail transit. I asked about rapid transit plans. The only thing I did say was only include Gold Standard BRT systems which are on par with rail transit. Otherwise, it's just a bus and everybody has them.
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Oh so in other words, the OP postured the thread to favor DC as much as possible? Haha surprise surprise:-)



I don't know what is more annoying, the fact that you made such a ridiculous statement or the fact that you may be the biggest SF booster on this website.
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Downtown LA
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Oh so in other words, the OP postured the thread to favor DC as much as possible? Haha surprise surprise:-)
I noticed that too. Its like me as an Angeleno doing a thread that asks "Lets rank cities on the following criteria: beaches, mountains, film shoots, tacos, and mid-century modern architecture."
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Is the Orange Line in L.A. considered "gold standard" BRT? It's pretty train-like....

The standard is based on a scoring system. Cleveland is the highest scoring system in America and even it's only bronze level. Here is the scoring document:

http://www.itdp.org/documents/201105..._Report-HR.pdf
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I noticed that too. Its like me as an Angeleno doing a thread that asks "Lets rank cities on the following criteria: beaches, mountains, film shoots, tacos, and mid-century modern architecture."

Well for one, people make those types of threads all the time about L.A. and Denver makes threads about outdoor features all the time too. San Fran asks about Asian everything. ATL asks about black everything. I could go on and on.

Second, how is the standard the WORLD uses for transit favoring D.C. Maybe what you should have said is this:

"That's like someone from NYC asking people to rank the top 20 most urban cities in America?"

Just because NYC is number one doesn't mean people from NYC can't be interested in what is happening in other cities from an urban perspective. Now, I know D.C. does transit better than every city in America except NYC, however, that doesn't mean we can't make threads talking about transit across the nation. This thread is for the whole country.

Some of you guys really need to relax in life. There are no prizes being given out for being #1 or #2 for anything on www.city-data.com
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