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View Poll Results: Which has the strongest Italian presence?
Baltimore 24 55.81%
New Orleans 8 18.60%
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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Originally Posted by BajanYankee View Post
Two Baltimore natives who've provided their full names means a lot more than an anonymous internet poster allegedly from Louisiana.

And it's not like Baltimore City's website refers to the city as a southern city or anything....
Nathaniel Branson is from Tennessee.

Where does it say that on the website?

 
Old 09-22-2014, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Nathaniel Branson is from Tennessee.
That's true. My mistake. He's only lived in Baltimore for nearly all of his adult life. The other part was spent in Chattanooga, which he considered to be as southern as Baltimore.

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Where does it say that on the website?
Did you not see the quote about the "sleepy southern town" upthread?

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Baltimore has been described as a sleepy southern town and a commercial-industrial center. Its many nicknames include “Charm City” and “Mob Town.” With cities to the south, it shares longstanding trade routes, a relaxed pace of life, and a history deeply informed by slavery, Jim Crow, and the cultural influence of a centuries-old African American population. With cities to the north, it shares a history of industrialization (and deindustrialization) along with the ethnic diversity that comes from being a major port of immigration.
400 Years of History | Baltimore National Heritage Area

I expect the denials, allegations of "cherrypickin," word-mincing, and outright dismissals, as is the norm on City-Data when people don't like what sources say.
 
Old 09-22-2014, 07:23 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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It also says:

" With cities to the north, it shares a history of industrialization (and deindustrialization) along with the ethnic diversity that comes from being a major port of immigration."

Dude, you cherry picked the hell out of that paragraph. It was saying that Baltimore was a city of contridiction. You're reaching at this point.
 
Old 09-22-2014, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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That's true. My mistake. He's only lived in Baltimore for nearly all of his adult life. The other part was spent in Chattanooga, which he considered to be as southern as Baltimore.
I wasn't aware his words were golden.

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Did you not see the quote about the "sleepy southern town" upthread?
LMAO that's not quite what I was expecting. People describe gumbo as spicy vegetable soup, doesn't mean it's correct.
Relaxed pace of life describes the West Coast and Midwest too.
Slavery took a toll on the whole nation, New York and New Jersey were also slaves states.
Jim Crow laws were nationwide..
Black people hada century worth of influence in other major cities like New York, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, etc. Black people doesn't make it southern.



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400 Years of History | Baltimore National Heritage Area

I expect the denials, allegations of "cherrypickin," word-mincing, and outright dismissals, as is the norm on City-Data when people don't like what sources say.
I'm willing to bet majority of Baltimoreans would not agree with you.
 
Old 09-22-2014, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It also says:

" With cities to the north, it shares a history of industrialization (and deindustrialization) along with the ethnic diversity that comes from being a major port of immigration."

Dude, you cherry picked the hell out of that paragraph. It was saying that Baltimore was a city of contridiction. You're reaching at this point.
Ah yes, the cries of "cherrypicking," even after I provided the whole quote. You act like I omitted something. I simply said that the site refers to Baltimore as a "sleepy southern town," which is a description you don't hear about Philadelphia, which is only about an hour and 20 minutes north.

Baltimore is like a dude claiming to be 100% heterosexual, yet dudes stay coming out of the closet saying they had sex together. Not too convincing if you ask me.
 
Old 09-22-2014, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I wasn't aware his words were golden.
I didn't say they were. I just find it fascinating that so many Baltimoreans refer to their city as "southern." And it's not like these are nobodies. You've got guys like John Waters and Benjamin Jealous, very prominent Baltimoreans, saying it's southern. Most people in Baltimore know who John Waters and Benjamin Jealous are. Most people in Baltimore do not know who we are.

Reginald Lewis, the first African American billionaire who grew up in East Baltimore, describes Baltimore as a "southern city" of "gentility and slow living."

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Originally Posted by annie_himself View Post
LMAO that's not quite what I was expecting. People describe gumbo as spicy vegetable soup, doesn't mean it's correct.
Relaxed pace of life describes the West Coast and Midwest too.
Slavery took a toll on the whole nation, New York and New Jersey were also slaves states.
Jim Crow laws were nationwide..
Black people hada century worth of influence in other major cities like New York, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, etc. Black people doesn't make it southern.
Okay. But where on those cities' history page does it say that they have been described as a "sleepy southern town" and had a "recognizablly southern disposition"? You can argue that all of those things don't mean "southern," but then when prominent figures (i.e., John Waters, Ben Jealous, Reg Lewis, Diane Cole) come outright and say it's Southern, then all we hear is "Well, well, well, um, yeah, well, so!" You basically have to outright reject everything they say.

With Philly or NYC, there's nothing to reject...cuz nobody says those things about these cities. They don't have a history rooted in the South. Baltimore does.
 
Old 09-22-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Holy cow did this thread go sour. Time to close it.
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